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: What's your tranny???


CleveSaab
19-05-04, 10:46 PM
If you have more than one, vote for your primary.

So, everyone, what is the tranny in your 90/900/9000/S/SE/SS/CSE?

Curiuos to see which will win across the entire line of Saab.

I bet manual, but I have 2 autos.


Poll will run and be 'stickied' for 30 days (if no one minds).

heavy_t
20-05-04, 02:51 AM
They're both manual of course, you nutter! :lol:

Abbott 900
20-05-04, 04:12 AM
What does Senstronic come under???

(Not that I've got one of course :cheesy: )

cacarpen
20-05-04, 09:45 AM
Manual, and wouldn't have it any other way. Although I always have been a bit curious how it is on the other side... :roll:

GearHead
20-05-04, 02:09 PM
<---has a stick.And wouldnt have it any other way.

valbowski1980
20-05-04, 02:19 PM
What does Senstronic come under???

(Not that I've got one of course :cheesy: )

An Auto by any other name is still an Auto. :)

I'm not a fan of the "granny tranny" and don't plan on having another one again. That said, the double clutch Audi one looks cool as do some of the CVTs out there.

nestoraero
20-05-04, 03:12 PM
Always manual..... :wink:

CleveSaab
20-05-04, 03:28 PM
Wow! :o I fully expected manual to win, but not by this large of a margin!!

nutcase
20-05-04, 03:39 PM
Manuel - cos it's cheap and keen to learn :cheesy:

CosmicSaab
20-05-04, 03:56 PM
Wow! :o I fully expected manual to win, but not by this large of a margin!!

The poll has been up for all of about 6 hours, out of a total of 720 hours. Geez, give it some time! :roll:

CleveSaab
20-05-04, 03:59 PM
Regardless of the time frame....43 votes...7 automatics???? We'd need a TON of auto folks to make a dent in that number.

CosmicSaab
20-05-04, 04:04 PM
Besides I but more have slushies, but are just too embarassed to admit it (not that a Saab stick is all that firm to begin with. I know I got the auto because the stick was so bad it just was not fun. :-? )

ellison
20-05-04, 06:53 PM
Definitely manual!

20Ted
20-05-04, 07:08 PM
Hmmm Cleve....

Only 7 autos and TWO of them are yours!! :cheesy: :cheesy:

Munki
20-05-04, 07:42 PM
What does Senstronic come under???

(Not that I've got one of course :cheesy: )

An Auto by any other name is still an Auto. :)
Actually it's an automatic clutch system attached to manual box.

CosmicSaab
20-05-04, 07:58 PM
What does Senstronic come under???

(Not that I've got one of course :cheesy: )

An Auto by any other name is still an Auto. :)
Actually it's an automatic clutch system attached to manual box.

No its not, its an automatic hooked up to a manual override. Like BMW's Steptronic. BMW's SMG is an example of a manual tranny hooked to a computer clutch. Ferrari and Toyota ( :cheesy: ) have systems like the SMG too.

Munki
20-05-04, 08:11 PM
No its not, its an automatic hooked up to a manual override. Like BMW's Steptronic.
Sorry my friend but you are wrong...

To quote Saab

Saab Sensonic is an automatic sysytem of clutch operation which replaces the clutch pedal.

The Sensonic system is available as an option on Saab 900 models equipped with the B240L engine and a manual gearbox
I was actually looking at one this evening as it happens. :wink:

Dan1
20-05-04, 08:16 PM
manual 5 speed. auto's are for women and children. men drive manuals :cheesy: :roll:

CosmicSaab
20-05-04, 08:37 PM
manual 5 speed. auto's are for women and children. men drive manuals :cheesy: :roll:

This man drives a manual if its worth driving, Saab currently does not have one like that. They should just buy them from Honda. Best manuals is the world. They just go snick snick snick, has to be the most satisfying feeling there is with a car.

Nairda
20-05-04, 09:15 PM
Aisin supplies the M/T to Honda. Aisin also makes the A/T
for the 9-3. As for the 'snick'snick' action of a Honda stick
shift, if there is a M/T for girls or wimps that is the one.
E715, how bad can the tranny be in the 9-3 for you to reject it?

MonkeyMan
20-05-04, 09:37 PM
manual 5 speed. auto's are for women and children. men drive manuals :cheesy: :roll:

This man drives a manual if its worth driving, Saab currently does not have one like that. They should just buy them from Honda. Best manuals is the world. They just go snick snick snick, has to be the most satisfying feeling there is with a car.

Hahaha...dude have you even driven a new 9-3 manual? Let me tell you how nice they are compared to the C900 manuals...and let me also say that I wouldn't hesitate for a minute to drive an automatic if I lost both my right arm and my left leg in an accident.

BEN

valbowski1980
20-05-04, 11:20 PM
No its not, its an automatic hooked up to a manual override. Like BMW's Steptronic. BMW's SMG is an example of a manual tranny hooked to a computer clutch. Ferrari and Toyota ( :cheesy: ) have systems like the SMG too.

To me anything without 3 pedals is an Auto. My left foot needs something to do. :)

valbowski1980
20-05-04, 11:22 PM
The best sticks I've ever driven have been Hondas and BMWs. The Saab ones just don't compare.

Slowpc
20-05-04, 11:32 PM
my 96 900se was an auto ... my viggen is a manual.

I love being back to the manual having been away for so long....

ellison
21-05-04, 10:13 AM
manual 5 speed. auto's are for women and children. men drive manuals :cheesy: :roll:

Excuse me? :nono;

Rhino2.3t
21-05-04, 10:28 AM
my trannys a Classic Braun T23.. dates from 1962 believe it or not. full manual btw (most were back then)

Paco
21-05-04, 11:17 AM
In my family we keep quiet about the tranny's..... :oops:

CleveSaab
21-05-04, 11:34 AM
Hmmm Cleve....

Only 7 autos and TWO of them are yours!! :cheesy: :cheesy:

You can only vote once so only 1 is mine. ;)

In my family we keep quiet about the tranny's.....

Aunt Paul??? :D

CosmicSaab
21-05-04, 12:02 PM
Hahaha...dude have you even driven a new 9-3 manual? Let me tell you how nice they are compared to the C900 manuals...and let me also say that I wouldn't hesitate for a minute to drive an automatic if I lost both my right arm and my left leg in an accident.

BEN

Yup, never a C900 though. The only stick that is worse was the 6 speed unit the Mercedes had, and now it would seem that they fixed it, which pretty much leaves the Saab one at the bottom.

CosmicSaab
21-05-04, 12:06 PM
Aisin supplies the M/T to Honda. Aisin also makes the A/T
for the 9-3. As for the 'snick'snick' action of a Honda stick
shift, if there is a M/T for girls or wimps that is the one.E715, how bad can the tranny be in the 9-3 for you to reject it?

I'll take snick snick over toilet plunger rubbery and vague any day. For me, I like knowing where the shifter is going and if feeling like it is actually doing something.

As for rejecting the stick, you have one, I'm sure, so you tell me. The slushie in the SS is just about as satisfying as the stick, and I don't have to deal with the stick in traffic. I can do a Honda stick no problem in traffic because they are just so fun, but the Saab, ha!

(Aisin is owned by Toyota! So is Lexus! :cheesy: )

Dan1
21-05-04, 12:27 PM
manual 5 speed. auto's are for women and children. men drive manuals :cheesy: :roll:

This man drives a manual if its worth driving, Saab currently does not have one like that. They should just buy them from Honda. Best manuals is the world. They just go snick snick snick, has to be the most satisfying feeling there is with a car.
i was just joking, sheesh...my manual is ok, but it does feel truck-like with the 6.5" throw, and it doesn't slide into gears as easily as others, but ya know what? it's lasted 278k miles. so i don't really care.

DanComden
21-05-04, 01:30 PM
Greetings,

My 1983 900T has a four speed from a '77 99. Not so much "snick" as "chunk" -- or is it "thud"? Cruddy high end, but decent torque.

Speaking of transmissions, I'm getting conflicting opinions on whether the speedo cable is the same part for both the four speed and original five speed transmissions. Anyone care to add to the conjecture? Would be nice to have a working speedometer. The existing cable seems bad -- the transmission end is rounded and I checked the dash end while driving -- the cable isn't moving.

20Ted
21-05-04, 01:55 PM
Hmmm Cleve....

Only 7 autos and TWO of them are yours!! :cheesy: :cheesy:

You can only vote once so only 1 is mine. ;)



I know - just giving you a bad time! :wink:

I hear that Scott is going to be teaching you to drive a stick in his '97 when he comes down for your meet... :o :wink:

Mattlach
21-05-04, 06:43 PM
I love my manual.

I can appreciate Auto's when stuck in traffic, and in heavy city driving, but having a manual is a tradeoff I am willing to make :)

valbowski1980
21-05-04, 08:24 PM
I've done a fair bit of city driving last semester and I gotta say that stick doesn't bother me anymore. The lighter weight, better reliability (Saabs!), and better fuel economy are more than worth the leg work.

Mattlach
21-05-04, 08:53 PM
This man drives a manual if its worth driving, Saab currently does not have one like that. They should just buy them from Honda. Best manuals is the world. They just go snick snick snick, has to be the most satisfying feeling there is with a car.

I love the rubbery feel the Saab manuals have. It makes a Honda feel so... plasticy...

SaabScott
21-05-04, 10:29 PM
First you tell me Saabs come in colours other than black. :roll:

Now you are telling me they come with automatic transmissions? :o


:cheesy:

Mattlach
21-05-04, 10:35 PM
First you tell me Saabs come in colours other than black. :roll:

Now you are telling me they come with automatic transmissions? :o


:cheesy:

Black 5-spd Saab's UNITE! (you 6-spd guys are welcome too)

clg31187
22-05-04, 05:22 PM
Its just not as fun to drive if it only has 2 pedals...the ferrari's with paddle shift and the new audi rs6 are cool and fast, but just not as enjoyable as a car with a stick. Also if you have a manual, when woman ask to borrow your car you have another excuse to not let them drive it. :lol:

bearclaw
22-05-04, 07:47 PM
Black 5-spd Saab's UNITE! (you 6-spd guys are welcome too)

I'm in! Um, where are we going? :lol:

I would've bought mine anyway if it were an auto. But I'm glad it's a manual. Just seems like it should be. 8)

GearHead
22-05-04, 08:12 PM
what about silver 5spds?

Willy Wonka
22-05-04, 10:21 PM
To be comprehensive I also have a spare auto and manual. The acura box was sweet. The fastest box I had was rumored to have been the worst, a triumph gt6+ with hydraulic od. in 3rd/4th.

Cuba
23-05-04, 05:26 AM
I hate autos in anything less than V8.
What cracks me up is when a ricer takes of with his fart can exhaust in an auto, sounds totally farking stupid.

MonkeyMan
23-05-04, 12:51 PM
I think we've forgotten another very useful feature of a manual transmission: Downshifting!!

BEN

Cuba
24-05-04, 05:47 AM
There's a tranny that hangs out on the corner near here. She's the wwhore with more :lol: .

yfs87
24-05-04, 07:58 AM
First you tell me Saabs come in colours other than black. :roll:

Now you are telling me they come with automatic transmissions? :o


:cheesy:

Black 5-spd Saab's UNITE! (you 6-spd guys are welcome too)

hurrah!! lol :-D i would go with stick anyday without a second thought. just so much more...fun :cheesy:

and yes downshifting is priceless i hate driving auto's because i have to use the brakes so much more...ahhhh...manual :P

Mattlach
24-05-04, 09:50 AM
hurrah!! lol :-D i would go with stick anyday without a second thought. just so much more...fun :cheesy:

and yes downshifting is priceless i hate driving auto's because i have to use the brakes so much more...ahhhh...manual :P

haha Not to defend the autos or anything, but you either wear your brakes, or your clutch...

The breaks are a helluva lot easier to get to than the clutch hehe..

MonkeyMan
24-05-04, 10:13 PM
There's a tranny that hangs out on the corner near here. She's the wwhore with more :lol: .

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I know you want a piece of that.



BEN

Saabian
24-05-04, 10:52 PM
No car on the face of the planet has a manual transmission that is more difficult to use than the one on my 1988 900 8v. I actually pulled a muscle in my elbow TWICE trying to get that thing into 5th. It also has the most bizzare feeling cluch of anything I've ever driven. HOWEVER, I would much rather drive a car with a manual like that, than an automatic. The only cars that are autos that I would drive would be huge luxo-barges like Benzes, big Audis, or Jaguars. But if the option for a "clutchess manual" was there, I'd take that over the automatic.

Mattlach
25-05-04, 11:46 AM
I would drive would be huge luxo-barges like Benzes, big Audis, or Jaguars. But if the option for a "clutchess manual" was there, I'd take that over the automatic.

Ditto.

I ould add large road going SUV's to that list, but I really don't like them, so chances of me driving one are well... small.

Another situation I can think of considering not driving a manual is if/when fuel becomes preciously expensive. A CVT on either a combustion or electric engine would seem more appropriate then.

Jezzadee
26-05-04, 01:47 PM
But if the option for a "clutchess manual" was there, I'd take that over the automatic.

Sensonic. I drove a GM900 Sensonic a while ago, and it was fun in a curious way. I still kept mashing the carpet with my left foot though.

yfs87
27-05-04, 08:12 AM
one tranny that i am particularly keen on is the ones in 300zx's. they feel so good, short, firm, and in general great. also 480hp helps a little bit. (my friend has a nice turbo 300zx, ::drooling just thinking about it::)

-wyeth

8valvegrowl
27-05-04, 09:31 AM
I have a perpetually broken 5-speed.

E715: Most Honda's I've driven are pretty rubbery....and their best shifters don't even come close to the precise, short, heavy mechanical feel of my 1974 MGB. No front drive (or AWD) car even comes close to the feel of a good RWD box. BMW and Porsche linkages are among the finest feeling in the world.

Saab linkages have improved markedly....I get into a 9000 and it beats my c900, the prvious gen 9-3 is better than the 9000. The 9-3SS and the 9-5 are the best feeling yet. Neither are superb, but they aren't terrible or vague.

Saab-Daniel
29-05-04, 07:20 PM
First you tell me Saabs come in colours other than black. :roll:

Now you are telling me they come with automatic transmissions? :o


:cheesy:

Black 5-spd Saab's UNITE! (you 6-spd guys are welcome too)

I'm with you man...
FOREVER :cheesy:

Mattlach
29-05-04, 11:03 PM
what about silver 5spds?

Meh The more the merrier... You can come too :P

Stumpage
01-06-04, 07:29 AM
First you tell me Saabs come in colours other than black. :roll:

Now you are telling me they come with automatic transmissions? :o


:cheesy:

Black 5-spd Saab's UNITE! (you 6-spd guys are welcome too)

With you, I actually hunted out a black manual. :cheesy:

CleveSaab
01-06-04, 10:59 PM
I'm going to unsticky this now. I think my question has been answered in spades. :o

Saabian
01-06-04, 11:20 PM
Porsche linkages are among the finest feeling in the world.



You have obviously never driven a 914 or an early 70s 911.

Nothing like the feeling of catching reverse when you want to put in in second. That's because they not only have a bass ackwards shift pattern that was intended for race cars, but they have all the feeling of a broomstick in a bucket of peanut butter.


Here's an example of the pattern:

R 2 4

1 3 5

-Ian

valbowski1980
02-06-04, 10:04 PM
Porsche linkages are among the finest feeling in the world.



You have obviously never driven a 914 or an early 70s 911.

Nothing like the feeling of catching reverse when you want to put in in second. That's because they not only have a bass ackwards shift pattern that was intended for race cars, but they have all the feeling of a broomstick in a bucket of peanut butter.


Here's an example of the pattern:

R 2 4

1 3 5

-Ian

VWs have that same pattern as do many other european cars. The neat thing on VWs is that you have to push the shifter down to get into R, kinda like the Saab shifter safety device.

Saabian
03-06-04, 10:23 PM
Uhhh, not quite. Take a close look at that pattern.

Mattlach
03-06-04, 10:25 PM
Uhhh, not quite. Take a close look at that pattern.

Yeah... I think hes referring to the:



R 1 3 5

2 4 6



pattern.

When I rented a VW Sharan once it had this pattern, and I kept stalling it in sixth every time I wanted to go into reverse :cheesy:

Saabian
04-06-04, 01:11 AM
right...I thought so. My dad has a Volkswagen Golf with that pattern (sans the 6th gear). I've seen pretty much every combination there is at work though.

By the way...here's a semi-accurate representation of the pattern on my '88 8-valve 900.




1 3 5

2 4

R


(I like that code thing)

Here's my dad's 914



R 2 4




1 3 5


Yes, the throws are that long and yes, they really are all over the place like that. Impressive huh?

Mattlach
04-06-04, 01:26 AM
(I like that code thing)


Yeah it's nice.

It tells the board not to mess with the number of spaces you decided to put between characters...

valbowski1980
04-06-04, 02:14 PM
Oh, gotcha. I see what you mean.

valbowski1980
04-06-04, 02:17 PM
I can see why the vote is such a land slide. Why anyone (baring those who are physically disabled) want a Saab with an automatic is beyond me. I've driven 9000s and 900s with autos and owning a stick I know what they are missing out on.


I was starting to think that driving a stick was becoming a lost art here in the USA, I guess not among Saab owners. :)

TurboBlix
18-01-07, 10:38 AM
hey man i drive an auto and i know how to drive stick with the best of them. i hate driving stick in traffic and that's all i get out here.

CleveSaab
18-01-07, 10:42 AM
You know this thread is 3 years old, right Blix? ;)

TurboBlix
18-01-07, 10:45 AM
lol haha well i saw it come up on the first page on the lounge. well that's my 2 cents.

stamonkey
18-01-07, 07:06 PM
Just to had my $.02 to the glory of the Honda shifter....They are not that good. Anything with that long of linkage doesnt do it for me, it feels so detached. I'm a big fan of the mechanical clink of my 280zx turbo. That being said, the 9-3 shifter is not that bad. It is comparable to any other fwd stick I have driven. The worst fwd stick I have driven was in a Taurus SHO that I owned for about 3 months. The car was fast all get out, but such a wierd stick (used two cables).

escalator guru
19-01-07, 08:27 PM
Old thread, whatever, automatic, I've got arthritis in my elbow or somesuch and it makes driving a manual (especially in the city) a gigantic pain in the... well, elbow.

SAABotaged900S
19-01-07, 10:37 PM
I see no one rocks the Sensonic tranny :confused:

brewtide
20-01-07, 01:38 PM
I see no one rocks the Sensonic tranny :confused:

By the time the internet was created, I think they all broke...

:lol: :lol:

I wish I could get my hands on one of those around here; Just for the rare as hell factor. Maybe when I become rich, I'll import one and convert to left hand drive....

Is there ANY example in the states?

-Bny

900t
20-01-07, 04:03 PM
By the time the internet was created, I think they all broke...

:lol: :lol:

I wish I could get my hands on one of those around here; Just for the rare as hell factor. Maybe when I become rich, I'll import one and convert to left hand drive....

Is there ANY example in the states?

-Bny

Just buy one in Sweden! Or just get the Sensonic parts and stick it on your car... I think the gearbox is the same even.

photosaab
20-01-07, 04:36 PM
manual. It is the only way to go and much more fun.

900t
22-01-07, 11:48 AM
HOW and WHY does this thread keep bumping itself up without any posts... DIE thread DIE!! :lol:

escalator guru
22-01-07, 03:21 PM
HOW and WHY does this thread keep bumping itself up without any posts... DIE thread DIE!! :lol:

It appears to bump whenever someone votes on it.

84Saab900TURBO
22-01-07, 08:54 PM
HOW and WHY does this thread keep bumping itself up without any posts... DIE thread DIE!! :lol:Haha, I'll have to be sure to post something on it in a few months...hafta go write a memo now...

square.wave
22-01-07, 11:32 PM
Many times I've been stuck behind someone in an autobox crawling down a mountain and the air actually reeks of their burning brakes.

Am I the only one who gropes for a non-existent stick when driving an auto? I've also jammed the brake pedal with my left foot a few times :).

regnisfon20
04-04-10, 03:30 PM
For now, the daily driver is a slushbox. Although, I am trying to decide between converting it to manual and just selling it off and buying one that is. The SPG is, obviously, a manual.

ferkle
04-04-10, 04:21 PM
First you tell me Saabs come in colours other than black. :roll:

Now you are telling me they come with automatic transmissions? :o


:cheesy:

Scott, how could you? I feel like my whole life is a lie now.... :lol:

sankuspr
04-04-10, 08:15 PM
By the time the internet was created, I think they all broke...

:lol: :lol:

I wish I could get my hands on one of those around here; Just for the rare as hell factor. Maybe when I become rich, I'll import one and convert to left hand drive....

Is there ANY example in the states?

-Bny
haha, this is dated...

sankuspr
04-04-10, 08:16 PM
Manual (it's the best), i don't like drving automatics.

I'm pretty surpised at the abundance of real tranny's on here - 80% are manuals.

Ares
04-04-10, 08:25 PM
manual 5 speed. auto's are for women and children. men drive manuals :cheesy: :roll:


this real men drive stick

Shazam
04-04-10, 10:46 PM
Auto... wishing it was a manny...

borderwave2
05-04-10, 04:39 PM
Saab auto's suck, thus we all drive manual.

Mercedes 7 speed, audi dual clutch are two examples of automatics I would not mind driving.

Mattlach
05-04-10, 07:05 PM
Trannies?

http://www.phillyturkey.com/images/Transvestite.gif

Shazam
05-04-10, 07:12 PM
Trannies?

http://www.phillyturkey.com/images/Transvestite.gif
You've got quite a bit of make-up on in this one Ken:lol:

ivanwakeup
05-04-10, 09:59 PM
manual. i would very quickly drive an auto if it was a paddle shifter with a NICE transmission (DSG or SMG for example).

i like the manual gearbox, but if a 67 mustang with a 427 auto was on the table, i could care MUCH less if it was auto or manual.

I'm kind of sick of the whole mentality that goes along with driving a manual though- probably because it leads people to false assumptions about others who only drive an automatic, when there could be a million reasons why that is the case.

either way, i'd still be taking manual over auto because it IS more fun, no disputing that.

Shazam
05-04-10, 10:07 PM
Commuting everyday could be a pain with a manual. Try drinking coffee and shifting, it'll get old fast

KaMiKaZi_t0M
07-04-10, 10:57 AM
I drink coffe and shift all the time! =]
It's funny, when you drive stick you can learn to drive and shift with practically nothing, I used my elbow to shifts, my knees to steer.

I also have this talent where I drive and shift with my left hand, works about 90% of the time, unless I'm turning!

Tom

Mattlach
07-04-10, 11:04 AM
I also have this talent where I drive and shift with my left hand, works about 90% of the time, unless I'm turning!

Tom


...and what happened the times it didn't work? :lol: :o

MacNoob
07-04-10, 12:36 PM
How do you vote if you have one of each?

No comments about going either way, please.

Jesda
08-04-10, 01:21 AM
I strongly prefer a manual especially because the T37 in my Saab is a 3-speed that causes it to rev at 3000rpm on the highway.

Cuba
08-04-10, 02:26 AM
Horses for courses

MacNoob
08-04-10, 11:38 AM
How do you vote if you have one of each?

Oh, I re-read the poll. It says "Primary" Saab so I guess that will be the '01 wagon (automatic, 25k km annually) as opposed to the "Secondary" (backup? auxiliary?) Saab which ('05 Aero, 5sp, 10k miles annually).

zachc
08-04-10, 03:04 PM
i have both.

butttt the manual is way more fun. obviously. ha.

Rennsport1
08-04-10, 09:35 PM
Sentronic, not bad for an auto, I wouldn't call it a slushbox, the "manual" mode works well.

Cm452
08-04-10, 10:57 PM
I'd like to drive a sensonic.Anyway, I do not understand why people hate on OG9-3's/SS shifting action. The Og's is a little rubbery, but despite its long throw always finds its home in the right gear, and conveys more than adequate feel and control, plus it is more than light enough to casually swat into gear. The SS is more positive and precise, but feels quite heavy, not even the mechanism-the actual shifter, and is more isolated. I drove two bimmer 325's. Their action was rubbery-ish and to me felt vague. In the og9-3 I can feel the actual stages of engagement, the bimmer was push and pray IMHO, though light and easy.
The best I've driven bar none, and I driven a few, was a mazdaspeed something-maybe an MX5. It was fast, RWD, and shifting it was easier than driving an auto-telepathy would do it.
-Cm

Mattlach
08-04-10, 10:59 PM
I'd like to drive a sensonic.Anyway, I do not understand why people hate on OG9-3's/SS shifting action. The Og's is a little rubbery, but despite its long throw always finds its home in the right gear, and conveys more than adequate feel and control, plus it is more than light enough to casually swat into gear. The SS is more positive and precise, but feels quite heavy, not even the mechanism-the actual shifter, and is more isolated. I drove two bimmer 325's. Their action was rubbery-ish and to me felt vague. In the og9-3 I can feel the actual stages of engagement, the bimmer was push and pray IMHO, though light and easy.
The best I've driven bar none, and I driven a few, was a mazdaspeed something-maybe an MX5. It was fast, RWD, and shifting it was easier than driving an auto-telepathy would do it.
-Cm

I thought the clutch on the 9-3ss/sc was WAAAY too light. I like the way it feels on my 9-5.

ivanwakeup
08-04-10, 11:02 PM
I thought the clutch on the 9-3ss/sc was WAAAY too light. I like the way it feels on my 9-5.

i think the clutch on the 9-5 is WAYY too light....haha

Mattlach
08-04-10, 11:06 PM
i think the clutch on the 9-5 is WAYY too light....haha

Then you would hate the 9-3ss :p

It seriosuly feels like there is nothing there. No resistance at all...

Rennsport1
08-04-10, 11:20 PM
It is "sentronic" rather than sensonic.

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DanF.
09-04-10, 01:25 PM
I like rowing my own gears. And don't mind swapping out clutches when they wear out. (or explode...)

Agree with Cuba that big torque engines are more convenient with a slushbox, but for anything else, manual. I mean it's got "man" in it.... men drive stick-shifts.*

As far as swapping clutches. My friend and I did a new clutch and flywheel in under 3 hours on his sister's ng900T. We also had access to the shop lift, air tools, and beer. This involved dropping the entire subframe (engine, gearbox, struts, axles, wheels) at once.

When I did my Spec2+ clutch I got the gearbox out, and on the ground in 1 hour. (Saab 9000 Aero transmission weight: 120lbs wet, lol.)

Kandiru
11-04-10, 10:03 PM
Yep i am too tired of blasting the lazy people.

OG900_crazed
11-04-10, 11:48 PM
Always has been, and must always be a manual.

ivanwakeup
11-04-10, 11:59 PM
One thing that i think should be universal about cars, or more specifically getting your license, is that you should ABSOLUTELY have to obtain it by learning to drive with a manual transmission.

Inevitably, forcing everyone to pass with a manual i think would reduce crash rates across the board, and see that many more people are paying attention to what theyre doing on the road.

Driving an automatic is far too easy. I really dont see how anyone could fail a drivers test driving the equivalent of a large, underpowered tub (i say this given the cars you actually DRIVE in drivers ed) with an automatic transmission.

I think passing drivers ed should really be a challenge, and forcing people to drive manual in this regard would help. The class was really a cakewalk as far as i remember it, so there isn't any surprise to me how many crappy drivers are on the road.

in summation- i guess you should just have to KNOW how to drive a manual if you want to get your license. once youve actually obtained it, it would obviously then be your choice which type of transmission you drove. I can see the appeal of both auto/manual, but at the end of the day it is important you know how to drive a sequential shift.