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: petrol price again !!!!!!!!!!!!


boxman
15-05-04, 02:01 PM
well folks i'm off on my summer holidays tomorrow and i'm flying off to majorca for a week, so in preporation i filled the car up with petrol and admittedly it was pritty empty but it cost 55.15 to fill it :o i couldn't believe it the last time i filled up from empty it was just about 48 :nono;

a skint boxman :roll:

lionsgraphics
15-05-04, 03:07 PM
55 pounds ?
it's like 100 bucks to fill up the tank

AHHHHH

Castor Troy
15-05-04, 04:57 PM
gas is up to $2.12/gallon for 91 octane :(

Willy Wonka
15-05-04, 10:11 PM
Just paid 2.08 going up to 2.18 tomorrow. :! :roll: Thinking of a Vespa or moped. Actually since ethanol here in the US is sustainable, a nice blend would probably be less expensive. At any rate it's still less than the Gold Schlager I invested 8) in this aft.

ThaBrkrs349
17-05-04, 01:46 AM
When complaining about our fuel prices, I always remember our friends in the UK who have it waaayyy worse! But it's up to about $3/gal. in California, I've heard. Luckily, we're sitting at about $2.10-$2.30 here.

I'm glad I drive a car that gets 30MPG! 8) I laughed out loud when I drove past a used car lot yesterday and saw two brand new Hummers that were recently traded in! :nono; What's worse - I heard on Fox News today that only Saudi Arabia isn't working at FULL CAPACITY as is!

So who's up for an official SaabCentral trip to Venezuela? Only .14 cents (US) per gallon! Been there a few times, beautiful place!! :D

heavy_t
17-05-04, 02:19 AM
My local garage has gone up 4p a litre in the last week. I filled both cars up yesterday which was a bit of a shocker :o :cry:

sethsev7n
17-05-04, 02:20 AM
Im in for building a secret tapline ! :)

carllevine
17-05-04, 08:55 AM
I laugh every time I cruise by the gas station hocking Super Unleaded for $2.17/gal. as I look down at my trip odometer, reading 250 miles just under 3/4 of a tank. Long live the Aero! :) Its not so hard to forgo the full power of the B234R to squeeze 32mpg out of it by shifting at 2000rpms.

CL

94 Aero
74 Sonett
95 Cannondale
82 Feet

greenphotos
17-05-04, 11:11 AM
I laugh every time I cruise by the gas station hocking Super Unleaded for $2.17/gal. as I look down at my trip odometer, reading 250 miles just under 3/4 of a tank. Long live the Aero! :) Its not so hard to forgo the full power of the B234R to squeeze 32mpg out of it by shifting at 2000rpms.


It's either that, or 240miles on a full tank with a huge grin on your face. I love my Aero :cheesy: - But I hate filling it up...

2TURBOS
17-05-04, 11:17 AM
Ho Hum,
Those of you in the USA think yourselves lucky!? . Here in dear old Blighty petrol is currently about $6 a US gallon :o :o
Though, in Baghdad, if you can get it. Petrol is currently about ONE CENT a gallon!!!

M.

Mattlach
17-05-04, 11:21 AM
I laugh every time I cruise by the gas station hocking Super Unleaded for $2.17/gal. as I look down at my trip odometer, reading 250 miles just under 3/4 of a tank. Long live the Aero! :) Its not so hard to forgo the full power of the B234R to squeeze 32mpg out of it by shifting at 2000rpms.


I tend to find the temptation to be more than I can handle on my 2001 Aero.

I average roughly 22mpg.

Funny thing is that the factory lists the highway milage at 28mpg for my 2001 9-5 Aero, but I have done MUCH better than that.

On a 100 mile trip - obeying the speed limit of 55-65mph - through hilly parts of Conneticut I averaged almost 38mpg.. (And this was with winter fuel blend)

10mpg (!) above the factory rating. I wonder why they list their numbers soo much lower than they are, casue that is really becoming a great selling point for these cars. What other car the size of the 9-5 with the power of the Aero can pull off that kind of numbers?

Mattlach
17-05-04, 11:24 AM
It's either that, or 240miles on a full tank with a huge grin on your face. I love my Aero :cheesy: - But I hate filling it up...

I once drove on a long stretch of uninterrupted 35-40mph road and stuck in fith the entire time. When I stopped and filled her up the SID showed me just over a 700mile DTE :) I was proud :)

A combination of high milage and a cavernous 18.5 gallon tank. (but it does hurt when you have to fill that large thing up though)

ThaBrkrs349
17-05-04, 12:33 PM
Ho Hum,
Those of you in the USA think yourselves lucky!? . Here in dear old Blighty petrol is currently about $6 a US gallon :o :o
Though, in Baghdad, if you can get it. Petrol is currently about ONE CENT a gallon!!!

M.

Actually, I once saw a video from Iraq on the news that featured a very nice C900. A bomb exploded next to the road, and from what it looked like, the C900 was almost untouched except for a few discolorations. See, whether accidents, snow, rain, or roadside bombs - you're safe in a Saab! 8) :lol:

2TURBOS
20-05-04, 09:01 AM
Actually, I once saw a video from Iraq on the news that featured a very nice C900. A bomb exploded next to the road, and from what it looked like, the C900 was almost untouched except for a few discolorations. See, whether accidents, snow, rain, or roadside bombs - you're safe in a Saab!

That would probably be politicaly incorrect for the next SAAB advert (even in Iraq) :cheesy:

M.

greenphotos
20-05-04, 11:04 AM
Luckily, Sainsburys in HatchWarren Basingstoke still has it at 79.9 :D

2TURBOS
20-05-04, 11:06 AM
Luckily, Sainsburys in HatchWarren Basingstoke still has it at 79.9

Ditto the one in Crawley.(minus 4p a litre, after pushing the cart about :roll: )

M.

GearHead
20-05-04, 02:07 PM
OMG! gas just jumped to 2.12 as of today.so much for sub-$2 gas.

If gas gets above 3 bucks here I will install a locking gas cap and go hunting BMWs with a hose.or get a moped :cry:

Crevalle
20-05-04, 02:25 PM
I will be the first to admit that we Americans are very spoiled regarding gasoline prices.

Hey, fellow Americans....OUR GAS IS CHEAP. Quit complaining! :roll:

clg31187
20-05-04, 06:28 PM
Mine is $2.37 and it will probably go over $2.60...it may be inexpensive compared to europe, but since 2 months ago you could get fuel for $1.70, it seems like quite a rip off

but you never know, maybe more americans will stop driving suv's because they get 5 miles to the gallon...yea right :-?

20Ted
20-05-04, 07:05 PM
Mine is $2.37 and it will probably go over $2.60...

$2.57 today for Premium in Seattle...two days ago is was only $2.35 - then again, Washington State's average per gallon is the 5th highest in the country ...

...and yes, gas in the US is incredibly cheap compared to other countries, but regardless - it is still twice as much to fill up today as it was a year ago - and that hurts no matter what...

Hmmm...anyone ever ever do the hydrogen power mod? :wink: (THAT is a hint Debra Kelly-Ennis - make SAAB be an automotive leader and be first to market with a practical hydrogen fuel cell...)

900t
21-05-04, 10:16 PM
They're gonna have to change the signs over in Montreal, for a few days the signs were all at 99.9 cents / litre!

Now they're giving us a break - 97.3!!!

I remember *****ing about 57.9 cents!

DaCuBaN
21-05-04, 11:15 PM
Well, up in Aberdeen fuel prices aren't exactly peachy

RON 95 US$5.38/gallon (0.839/litre)
RON 97 US$5.63/gallon (0.869/litre)
RON 99 US$5.89/gallon (0.909/litre)

The latter being what I run my car on...

Luckily, Sainsburys in HatchWarren Basingstoke still has it at 79.9

I can't talk for sainsbury's, but Asda, Tesco and Safeway all import their fuel from mainland europe and it conforms not to british standards, but to the european standards. Although there is nothing wrong with the european standards, they are lower than that of the UK - this means that if you do purchase your fuel from a supermarket, unless expressly specified you're filling her up on RON 93

Abbott 900
24-05-04, 04:56 AM
Unbelivable....

I had to pull into a Q8 garage yesterday as I was practically running on vapour, and regular unleaded was 85.9p/litre and super unleaded was 95.9p/litre...

95.9p !!!!!!!!! I almost had a fit....

That is the most I have ever seen!!!

nutcase
31-05-04, 01:55 PM
Got this in an email from my Brother this monrning (he lives in the US):

There are a lot of folks who can't understand how we came to have an oil shortage here in America.

Well, there's a very simple answer......Nobody bothered to check
the oil.

We just didn't know we were getting low. The reason for that is
purely geographical.

All our oil is in Alaska, Texas, California, and Oklahoma.
All our dipsticks are in Washington, D.C.


Tickled me :)

garry
31-05-04, 02:21 PM
From the 70's onwards the UK as a whole/in general. has shunned engine sizes over 2L .... Mainly due to fuel consumption issues.. The old who remembered the war :roll: also remembered how to be thrifty by a) buying cars with small engines and b) switching the engine off whilst going down hill.... Meanwhile each successive government has increased the tax on fuel year on year on decade until we reach the sorry state we are in today.

Then..... The government go and blame us!?! .... why? .... For driving fuel guzzling 2L engined cars! :evil: ..... We are actually taxed more for owning cars over 850cc :o

So, (for our US members) this is one of the reasons why we in the UK consider SAAB's to be large cars.

It seems almost an insane idea for any 'normal'regular'ie not extremely rich' person in the UK to be able to afford to fuel a SUV as a daily runner (unless diesel for trade or agricultural purposes)... Its been like this from the 70's onwards.

Mattlach
31-05-04, 02:31 PM
The old who remembered the war :roll: also remembered how to be thrifty by a) buying cars with small engines and b) switching the engine off whilst going down hill....

At least on modern cars, it would seme to me that this practise would get you worse milage rather than better milage.

Starting the engine, cold or warm, always uses a little bit of extra fuel.

My two cents is to just clutch it going down the hills :)

Jetset
31-05-04, 05:43 PM
My two cents is to just clutch it going down the hills :)

Having watched Top Gear last night, Jeremy said that when going down hill, where you are using engine breaking, modern cars acutally put no fuel into the engine at all so it's more fuel efficient to slow down in gear than to coast / turn the engine off / put it in neutral.

Also those 3 options are technicall illegal in the UK anyway ;)

valbowski1980
31-05-04, 10:31 PM
My two cents is to just clutch it going down the hills :)

Having watched Top Gear last night, Jeremy said that when going down hill, where you are using engine breaking, modern cars acutally put no fuel into the engine at all so it's more fuel efficient to slow down in gear than to coast / turn the engine off / put it in neutral.

Also those 3 options are technicall illegal in the UK anyway ;)

It's illegal to coast down a hill while in gear :-?? Are you serious?

Mattlach
31-05-04, 10:40 PM
It's illegal to coast down a hill while in gear :-?? Are you serious?

I was about to say the same thing. I can't imagine coasting downhill in OR out of gear being illegal...

That being said he raises an interesting point that there may be no benefit to it, if its not consuming any gas.

I'm trying to figure this one out.

If it consumes no gas, but slows you down slightly with high gear engine breaking. Is that better than not being slowed down but rolling freely out of gear while consuming fuel at an idle level.

Any thoughts? (I should have gone for that Physics degree after all :P)

Alex
01-06-04, 05:18 AM
As Jetset mentioned it is illegal to coast a car down a hill, as the speed of the car is not under direct control of the driver. The driver should either be on the brakes or using the accelerator.

2TURBOS
01-06-04, 05:39 AM
Most modern cars have an over-run fuel shut off.
So as soon as you lift off with the car in gear, it uses no fuel...However.. if you put it in neutral & "coast" it uses fuel at the idle rate!

M.

BTW, Going downhill in gear with your foot off all the pedals is NOT against the law.
Coasting. This term describes a vehicle travelling in neutral or with the clutch pressed down. Do not coast, whatever the driving conditions. It reduces driver control because ( From highway code. para 102)

Jetset
01-06-04, 09:07 AM
BTW, Going downhill in gear with your foot off all the pedals is NOT against the law.
Coasting. This term describes a vehicle travelling in neutral or with the clutch pressed down. Do not coast, whatever the driving conditions. It reduces driver control because ( From highway code. para 102)

Ah, I meant coasting as clutch in / neutral / engine off, not just rolling down the hill in gear without your feet on the pedals, I think that one is a case of confusion :D

And thanks for the highway code definition, I knew it was in there somewhere!

Mattlach
01-06-04, 09:15 AM
Coasting. This term describes a vehicle travelling in neutral or with the clutch pressed down. Do not coast, whatever the driving conditions. It reduces driver control because ( From highway code. para 102)

Call me dumb, but I don't see how holding down the clutch while in gear and rolling removes any significant level of control...

Witht he clutch depressed, I can just as quickly hit the brake as with it not depressed...

Who dreamed up these rules anyway?

Alex
01-06-04, 09:21 AM
Coasting. This term describes a vehicle travelling in neutral or with the clutch pressed down. Do not coast, whatever the driving conditions. It reduces driver control because ( From highway code. para 102)

Call me dumb, but I don't see how holding down the clutch while in gear and rolling removes any significant level of control...

Witht he clutch depressed, I can just as quickly hit the brake as with it not depressed...

Who dreamed up these rules anyway?

With no connection between the engine and wheels (especially if in neutral) and no brakes you are not controlling the vehicles speed.

Also, just imagine the consequecies if the engine stalls when out of gear. No steering and no vacuum for the brake booster.

2TURBOS
01-06-04, 09:22 AM
Who dreamed up these rules anyway?

Not heard of Tony Blair on your side of the pond then? :roll:

M.

(No s******ing you other Brits!)
Oh & just realised I did not copy all the para from the Highway Code;

Coasting. This term describes a vehicle travelling in neutral or with the clutch pressed down. Do not coast, whatever the driving conditions. It reduces driver control because
engine braking is eliminated
vehicle speed downhill will increase quickly
increased use of the footbrake can reduce its effectiveness
steering response will be affected particularly on bends and corners
it may be more difficult to select the appropriate gear when needed.

Jetset
01-06-04, 09:22 AM
Call me dumb, but I don't see how holding down the clutch while in gear and rolling removes any significant level of control...

Witht he clutch depressed, I can just as quickly hit the brake as with it not depressed...


Try a simple experiment, find a nice long down hill, roll down the hill without the engine powering the wheels and try weaving from side to side..

Then drive back to the top of the hill and do the same again with the engine powering the wheels, but at the same speed.

From personal experience (I had the same question) you will find that the car is more stable and controlled with the engine connected to the wheels than without.

I don't claim to understand the physics, but it works ;)

Who dreamed up these rules anyway?

It's the highway code: http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/ which is the rules and guidelines which you have to follow and learn as part of passing your driving test in the UK. I guess they are written by the highways agency (government body).

Some are guidelines, others are rules. Any highway code points that use the words "MUST" or "MUST NOT" are legal requirements for driving on the UK roads.

ragtopcav
01-06-04, 11:11 AM
Who dreamed up these rules anyway?

Not heard of Tony Blair on your side of the pond then? :roll:


[/quote]When rules like that were written I think he was just an itch in his daddy's pants :cheesy: .

Years ago with rod actuated drum brakes all around, having the engine running to assist the brakes was almost essential on long descents. The rule about not coasting downhill has it's roots in that.

Fuel cuttoff, just a thought but surely the air/fuel mixture must be retained at 14.7/1 [ish] so the fuel will go to the correct amount for the engine speed/throttle position, if you go to an idle fuel setting, surely the car will be dangerously lean burning when the engine is assisting the brakes? just a thought.

Mattlach
08-06-04, 09:16 PM
http://www-unix.oit.umass.edu/~jflynn/images/gasprices.jpg

midway
08-06-04, 09:30 PM
Going down in Chicago, $1.92 today, $1.99 yesterday. Maybe the British should have a short blunt chat with their MP's. Most of Euro prices are taxes, Chicago is high tax but that only comes out to .50 a gallon

9000anni
09-06-04, 05:27 PM
Going down in Chicago, $1.92 today, $1.99 yesterday. Maybe the British should have a short blunt chat with their MP's. Most of Euro prices are taxes, Chicago is high tax but that only comes out to .50 a gallon

We tried that one back in 2K, they have ears and listen, then forget all about it !

Someone has to subsidise the rich peoples tax bills in the UK, so it may as well be the UK motorist.

sjhudon
09-06-04, 05:42 PM
How do they know if your coasting down the hill or not?

midway
09-06-04, 06:12 PM
Well, I guess that explains your cradle to the grave imitation of a welfare state. Here's an novel idea... DONT VOTE FOR THEM... FIRE THEM! Get the members of local car clubs and other motorists to sign a letter to their MP's saying 'you have until Dec 2004 to cut gas taxes by half or we will not only vote for your opponent, we will actively campaign against you' It's a litle thing we in the US like to call democracy. Yes it can be coercive, and I know it has fallen out of favor in increasingly socialist Europe, but you ought to try it while you still have a chance.

Gas prices and high gas taxes will spell the doom of Europes economy. There are a lot of EU headquartered companies moving their manufacturing and design facilities to the US and to the old Satellite states TO ESCAPE HIGH TAXES. One of my clients, a German firm, is paying well above market here, both in salary and benefits, and are still saving over 50% over their cost in EUland. So 400 Euro jobs come here and Germany's unemployment goes a little higher.

Jetset
10-06-04, 05:03 AM
Well, I guess that explains your cradle to the grave imitation of a welfare state. Here's an novel idea... DONT VOTE FOR THEM... FIRE THEM! *snip *

It's a litle thing we in the US like to call democracy. Yes it can be coercive, and I know it has fallen out of favor in increasingly socialist Europe, but you ought to try it while you still have a chance.

Firstly, why on earth wouldn't we want a welfare state? For some reason it's a good thing to have people getting second rate healthcare because they are not rich? It's a good idea for people to starve to death because they cannot afford food? It's a good idea for people to be forced to live on the street? People seem to think that being allowed do what they hell they like, whether it's dangerous or not, whether it's detrimental to society or not, is a good thing, usualy because it's viewed as a "freedom" Personally I like living in a country that tries to look after its population, and tries to promote some kind of social responsibility. (btw. just to make it clear I'm not saying that america does all of the above, just examples of good points for the welfare state).

Secondly, US democray??? You mean the country where the vote goes to the highest bidder, where the whole law making system is based around large powerful corporations pushing through what they want (RIAA anyone? Microsoft convicted of abusing monopoly status and being given a slap on the wrist?). The US isn't a democracy, it's a country run by big business.

Having said all that I agree completely with your statement

Get the members of local car clubs and other motorists to sign a letter to their MP's saying 'you have until Dec 2004 to cut gas taxes by half or we will not only vote for your opponent, we will actively campaign against you'

People who want change should start campaining for it and doing something rather than just moaning to their friends. I personally don't have a problem with current petrol prices, it's cheaper than bottled water per litre (wtf????) and is a luxury item. It is also a limited and polluting resource that we should be finding alternatives to, and using more efficiently. High petrol prices will drive people towards more fuel efficent cars, and alternative energy sources which is a good thing.

ragtopcav
10-06-04, 05:36 AM
UK fuel prices are in proportion to income lower than they were in the late 70's, so what's the gripe?

boxman
10-06-04, 05:54 AM
what p****s me off about the proposed fuel protests is the last time people protested it neally cripled my company( well it wasn't mine then but it is now) so with people not useing there cars they dont need then fixed, worrying :(

boxman

Paco
10-06-04, 06:11 AM
UK fuel prices are in proportion to income lower than they were in the late 70's, so what's the gripe?

Because it was unaffordable then, and everything else bar property is cheaper now than it was in the late '70's in real terms, like cars, TV's, food etc

I suspect the gripe mainly lies with the "stealth" approach to petrol taxation, and that it bears no correlation with spending on transport.

ragtopcav
10-06-04, 08:13 AM
Why not just go and spend 50 at tesco [easy done, two fine bottles of malt, just look at the duty on those too] and then get 5p a litre off your fuel purchase. Angua did this a few days ago, weekly shop 53 [ish] petrol 77[?] pence a litre.

Stuart
10-06-04, 08:29 AM
..weekly shop 53 [ish]...

Blimey - that's cheap. What do you live on, toast? :lol:

Marrk
10-06-04, 08:31 AM
I personally don't have a problem with current petrol prices, it's cheaper than bottled water per litre (wtf????) and is a luxury item

You don't get bl**dy far on a litre of water...and when is it a luxury item when its the only form of fuel most people rely on to use to commute to and from work....and some of us aren't blessed with anything like a good public transport system. :evil:

Jetset
10-06-04, 09:06 AM
You don't get bl**dy far on a litre of water...and when is it a luxury item when its the only form of fuel most people rely on to use to commute to and from work....and some of us aren't blessed with anything like a good public transport system. :evil:

"Back in the day" people used to live close to where they worked, so they would either walk or cycle. I live 8 miles from where I work, so a car is technically a luxury as far as I am concered, I could cycle if I could be bothered ;)

Where I work the number of cars in the car park could easily be cut by 50% if people cycled, there is also plenty of public transport. Admittidly there will be lots of place where there is not public transport, but a fair number of those could be solved by moving house (not trivial, but possible).

People depend far too much on their cars imo. People managed just fine before they were invented ;)

It is also perfectly possible to get much more fuel efficent cars than a saab, in my book owning a saab is a luxury item, I love it to bits, but it is definately a luxury car and I pay the price for that (28mpg as opposed to my previous cars 45mpg)

ragtopcav
10-06-04, 09:10 AM
...and when is it a luxury item when its the only form of fuel most people rely on to use to commute to and from work....and some of us aren't blessed with anything like a good public transport system. :evil:Ah Marrk the high and mighty will find a hole in your arguement :wink:
They'll say stuff like 'you choose to live where you are, if the local transport ifrastructure is poor you should move' :roll: 'driving is a privelige not a right' :roll: 'buy a diesel and run it on old chip shop oil' :wink: y'know some politicians want us all to ride bicycles to work. As far bike riding goes, will I be charged for my CO2 emmissions of my increased metabolic rate? :cheesy: and what about methane emmissions if I had beans for breakfast :lol: .

MRpunchinella
10-06-04, 09:10 AM
have to agree. until public transport is regular, clean and reliable we have to continue using our vehicles. fuel is not a luxury. Yes we all know we use 2+litres, Turbos and autos which dont sip fuel but we shouldnt fall into the 'you should drive a 995cc Charade' arguement.I believe that we still have some choices as citizens in our 'Democratic :o ' society.

I prefer to commute early, being at my desk at 730am.(dont ask, just habit, cant stick rush hour) WORK travel cost 40 per week fuel. i am using shell super in my 97 900.I pay 84p/litre.I took the huff when I saw the price rise from 81p. I began using unleaded but realised that I was still using 40 and I only got 2 litres less fuel using super from normal.


Pragmatic Punch. :-?

Paco
10-06-04, 09:18 AM
..weekly shop 53 [ish]...

Blimey - that's cheap. What do you live on, toast? :lol:

Two bottles of single malt, obviously.... :wink:

Rhino2.3t
10-06-04, 10:33 AM
..weekly shop 53 [ish]...

Blimey - that's cheap. What do you live on, toast? :lol:

Two bottles of single malt, obviously.... :wink:


..which cunning purchase knocks the total to 53, leaving the bargain hunters to grab 4p a litre fuel discount at same time at certain supermarkets.
see? booze saves you money. bravo 8)

there's method in my madness.

Paco
10-06-04, 10:42 AM
I can see my Whisky collection improving dramatically...

>dram-atically....geddit...?.....Coat please! :oops: <

Mattlach
10-06-04, 10:47 AM
..weekly shop 53 [ish]...

Blimey - that's cheap. What do you live on, toast? :lol:

Umm I spend roughly $20-25 per week.

Then again, I AM a bachelor, but...

Rhino2.3t
10-06-04, 10:55 AM
yes yes gripping wordplay, Paco LOL
if only i could afford whisky as old as our jokes...


i think the cats cost more than 15 a week to keep :roll:

Jetset
10-06-04, 01:11 PM
have to agree. until public transport is regular, clean and reliable we have to continue using our vehicles. fuel is not a luxury. Yes we all know we use 2+litres, Turbos and autos which dont sip fuel but we shouldnt fall into the 'you should drive a 995cc Charade' arguement.I believe that we still have some choices as citizens in our 'Democratic :o ' society.

It certainly is a democratic society, I would never say we all have to drive 800c super fuel efficent cars, just saying that if you choose to drive a large inefficent car, you have to live the with fact that it will cost a lot of money to run :D. I decided I like my saab, so I pay what it costs.

I think fuel is a luxury, its perfectly possible to get by without a car, I know lots of people that don't own one (and for that matter cannot afford one). If I was fired or on the breadline the car would be the first thing to go. I'd save my money for non-luxury goods like food.

'driving is a privelige not a right'

I know you said it in jest, but I agree with that statement ;) Contary to popular opinion, the world would not end if all cars were banned tomorrow. And people would quite quickly adapt. Rights are things like free speech, no racial discrimination, fair trial etc. I don't think driving a car comes anywhere close to those sort of things.

Stuart
11-06-04, 04:19 AM
I read an article in the IMechE journal yesterday - there were more than 29 million :! cars on the UK's roads at the end of 2003 according to the Society of Motor Manufacturere and Traders. The figure had risen by 1.84% compared to 2002, with the addition of half a million cars in just one year.

29 million - feck me that's a lot. I wonder where they all are?

I don't think we should worry too much about the price of petrol as pretty soon we'll reach saturation point and won't be able to drive anywhere anyway! I think we'll all agree that we're going to run out of space for all these motors.

2TURBOS
11-06-04, 05:10 AM
Think the problem is, that in the UK the Govt. has NO public transport policy!
Therefore the motorist is an easy target... ie ..you have no choice, you need your car, so ....TAX the wheels off the motorist.
Anyway, a little less tounge in cheek,the biggest gripe most have is the dishonest underhand application of "stealth" taxes by this dishonest bunch of condescending two-faced........(sorry! getting on the soap box!)

TTFN

M :lol:

Jezzadee
11-06-04, 02:45 PM
I think fuel is a luxury, its perfectly possible to get by without a car, I know lots of people that don't own one (and for that matter cannot afford one). If I was fired or on the breadline the car would be the first thing to go. I'd save my money for non-luxury goods like food.


If you lived here and got rid of your car your chances of finding another job would be very small. My drive to work is about 40 minutes. To do it without a car I would have to walk 4 miles, get on a train in the wrong direction for 30 minutes, get a bus (40 minutes) then another bus (15 minutes) then walk another 3 miles. I have no idea how much it would cost. My nearest shop is 9 miles away, and is open from 9 to 5. If I lived in a city or suburbia I might view a car as a luxury, but out here, unless you want to be totally self-sufficient (no bad thing), it is a necessity.