View Full Version : LS2 for 9-7x???
CosmicSaab
09-05-04, 06:10 PM
I just came across something rather interesting that has the potential to make the 9-7x truly interesting. The Chevy SSR (also based on the GMT360 platform that the TrailBlazer and 9-7x uses) is going to be getting a version of the LS2 (LS2 2.0). The LS2 is the engine used in the new C6 Corvette. This begs an interesting question, will it be used in the 9-7x? According to what I have read it will also probably be used in the TrailBlazer SS. The 9-7x is supposed to be getting engine upgrades before any other GMT360 though, which means that Saab and GM may just have something up their sleve that no one saw coming; a 9-7x with Corvette power! :o :cheesy: :D 8)
The SSR will also get a 6 speed stick shift to go with the LS2 2.0. Once again since the tranny will be GMT360 compatible that means that is could also be put in the 9-7x. The 9-7x may get a stick shift like a true Saab after all :!
Any thoughts?
Mattlach
09-05-04, 06:33 PM
I have lived in the U.S, for 6 years now,and I have never been able to understand the appeal of performance trucks/suv's
Take something thats heavy and designed for utility, and try to make it run like a small light sportscar. Makes no sense.
I mean, I'm not a fan of Trucks/SUV's to begin with, but I usually understand why people get them...
But when I see a big red Dodge truck with the "Hemi" logo on the back of it - even though I am half American - I can't help but point and laugh and say something to the extent of "dumb american"
My $.02
CosmicSaab
09-05-04, 06:40 PM
I have lived in the U.S, for 6 years now,and I have never been able to understand the appeal of performance trucks/suv's
Take something thats heavy and designed for utility, and try to make it run like a small light sportscar. Makes no sense.
I mean, I'm not a fan of Trucks/SUV's to begin with, but I usually understand why people get them...
But when I see a big red Dodge truck with the "Hemi" logo on the back of it - even though I am half American - I can't help but point and laugh and say something to the extent of "dumb american"
My $.02
No it doesn't make sense, but it is interesting, and could help make the 9-7x stand out from the competition.
I don't think SUVs should go fast, Hell I get nervous going 75 mph in my father's Tahoe, I could do very illegal tripple digit speeds in my 9-3SS and it would be perfect. I did 115 mph on the "Autobahn," and it is just super stable. :wink:
Mattlach
09-05-04, 06:44 PM
No it doesn't make sense, but it is interesting, and could help make the 9-7x stand out from the competition.
I don't think SUVs should go fast, Hell I get nervous going 75 mph in my father's Tahoe, I could do very illegal tripple digit speeds in my 9-3SS and it would be perfect. I did 115 mph on the "Autobahn," and it is just super stable. :wink:
Yeah. My *ahem* "Autobahn" experience at 155mph in my 9-5 Aero felt perfectly stable, but I drove my friends dads truck, and it was scaring the **** outta me at 65-70mph...
CosmicSaab
09-05-04, 07:27 PM
Yeah. My *ahem* "Autobahn" experience at 155mph in my 9-5 Aero felt perfectly stable, but I drove my friends dads truck, and it was scaring the *** outta me at 65-70mph...
The "Autobahn" around here always has too many cars on it for me to be able to get up past 115. In fact normally I am unable to get past 90.
And the trucks/SUVs just feel really not good at speed. Maybe the 9-7x will be different. I have never driven a "performance" SUV like an X5.
saabluster
09-05-04, 09:46 PM
As much as we complain about how they handle bad and are slow why complain if they try to make these beasts just a little fun. I'm not opposed to them making them fast as long as they make it handle which it seems like SAAB is going to do.
squishmann
10-05-04, 01:28 AM
i have driven the Touareg at high speeds(100+) and i felt in control.
there may be future engines in the works, but not for this generation 9-7,
maybe when they change the body style. i don't see why anyone would pay more than 50k for a 9-7
The SSR will also get a 6 speed stick shift to go with the LS2 2.0. Once again since the tranny will be GMT360 compatible that means that is could also be put in the 9-7x. The 9-7x may get a stick shift like a true Saab after all :!
Any thoughts?
No offense intended, but dream on. :-)
Anyway, note that a manual gearbox is not compatible with the mandatory woman-holding-cellphone-to-her-right-ear driving mode.
I drove my friends dads truck, and it was scaring the *** outta me at 65-70mph...
i know what you mean. i felt the least safe driving my family's Honda CRV on the highway. what a terd!
CosmicSaab
11-05-04, 02:09 PM
The SSR will also get a 6 speed stick shift to go with the LS2 2.0. Once again since the tranny will be GMT360 compatible that means that is could also be put in the 9-7x. The 9-7x may get a stick shift like a true Saab after all :!
Any thoughts?
No offense intended, but dream on. :-)
Anyway, note that a manual gearbox is not compatible with the mandatory woman-holding-cellphone-to-her-right-ear driving mode.
Dream on to which part? The SSR will get the 6 speed, that's fact. The 9-7x and the 6 speed is just a thought.
Dream on to which part? The SSR will get the 6 speed, that's fact. The 9-7x and the 6 speed is just a thought.
Good old GM. No doubt they *could* put the 6 speed in. *will* they?
I actually don't think there's a huge market for manual SUVs. BMW is the only one that offers one, and in my un-scientific poll of looking into X5 windows, I'm not sure I've seen one manual yet. I think that only like 10% of new cars sold total are manuals.
Stupid lazy 'Muricans. :)
squishmann
12-05-04, 03:15 PM
bmw isn't the only one. i think a sentronic transmission would be cool.(6speed)
i think the benchmark for suvs right now is the touareg/cayenne model. noone does it better.
if saab could take what's in that car and offer more interior space and a longer wheelbase version then they would have the best SUV ever. and also a DVD based navi system
Ok, the CR-V and RAV4 have manuals. They are hardly SUV's, though. :)
Which other's that are actually in the Saab's price range have manuals?
Which other's that are actually in the Saab's price range have manuals?
As someone pointed out X5, but also X3, of course the X3 is quite a bit smaller. [Edit: then the 9-7x ne้ trailblazer, I mean. The X3 is actually almost as large as the X5 inside.]
Not a direct competitor, but the Volvo V70R is AWD and has a 6spd manual. That is the car I am looking at.
PunktKruger
12-05-04, 11:29 PM
The V70's not even an SUV though, really.
The V70's not even an SUV though, really.
Yah I know -- it is a bit of an unfair comparison, but only because so many SUVs are completely maladapted to their intended use.
Still, it has awd, will probably do just as well (or better) in a lot of funky conditions than car based utes like the FX and SRX, and can hold far more than say an FX. Plus its got a much lower cg. And it hauls a**. I think you can see why we're considering it over an SUV. :-D
As someone pointed out X5, but also X3, of course the X3 is quite a bit smaller.
:o
I pointed that out. :)
I've done a somewhat extensive look for SUVs with manuals. Looks like it's only available on the smaller SUVs, and it looks like only on the 4 cylinders.
So BMW is really the only company to offer manuals with the SUVs. And it's only available on the X5 3.0, not on the V8 models. The X3 it's available on both models.
Guess there's just not a market for them, so I have little expectation of seeing a manual 9-7.
benji9k
30-05-04, 08:21 AM
So BMW is really the only company to offer manuals with the SUVs. And it's only available on the X5 3.0, not on the V8 models. The X3 it's available on both models.
Jeeps still come with manuals.
Jeeps still come with manuals.
Just the Wrangler though, right? Or can you get one on a Liberty? Note that ity would matter, the Liberty drives like a drunken pig.
Jeeps still come with manuals.
Just the Wrangler though, right? Or can you get one on a Liberty? Note that ity would matter, the Liberty drives like a drunken pig.
Ah yes, the Jeep. And the Liberty does have it available in certain packages.
Drunken pig? But it's "Trail Rated"TM :cheesy:
Fast_Ed
29-09-04, 09:19 PM
I have lived in the U.S, for 6 years now,and I have never been able to understand the appeal of performance trucks/suv's
Take something thats heavy and designed for utility, and try to make it run like a small light sportscar. Makes no sense.
I mean, I'm not a fan of Trucks/SUV's to begin with, but I usually understand why people get them...
But when I see a big red Dodge truck with the "Hemi" logo on the back of it - even though I am half American - I can't help but point and laugh and say something to the extent of "dumb american"
My $.02
Yeah, it makes no sense. I have given SUV's such a hard time that my friends look at me funny if I even give one a slight nod of approval. That does not stop me from wanting to mash the throttle of an SRT-10 Viper powered Dodge Ram to the floor and pull massive smokey burnouts. I might not get very good gas mileage though *GASP*
Stefano
29-09-04, 09:52 PM
No it doesn't make sense, but it is interesting, and could help make the 9-7x stand out from the competition.
I don't think SUVs should go fast, Hell I get nervous going 75 mph in my father's Tahoe, I could do very illegal tripple digit speeds in my 9-3SS and it would be perfect. I did 115 mph on the "Autobahn," and it is just super stable. :wink:
Yeah. My *ahem* "Autobahn" experience at 155mph in my 9-5 Aero felt perfectly stable, but I drove my friends dads truck, and it was scaring the *** outta me at 65-70mph...
Did you bought it with european delivery MAttlach? Just curious.
GM is not going to put their best engine in a Saab. Dream on fanbois. Saab is unworthy of the LS2.
Buddhabman
30-09-04, 06:59 PM
Maybe the next gen 9-7 will have a Subie Flat 8. Mary two H4's @ 165HP to make a sweet H8 @ 330HP & 340FT/LB Trq. :D Subie also supposedly has a 400HP turbo H6 & 475HP H8 motor waiting for vehicles. :P
SaabKen
30-09-04, 07:21 PM
Good old GM. No doubt they *could* put the 6 speed in. *will* they?
I actually don't think there's a huge market for manual SUVs. BMW is the only one that offers one, and in my un-scientific poll of looking into X5 windows, I'm not sure I've seen one manual yet. I think that only like 10% of new cars sold total are manuals.
Stupid lazy 'Muricans. :)
Hey Fabric, what is that in your avatar ? Saab convention pic ?
benji9k
01-10-04, 07:19 AM
How about if Saab doesn't do it. Some else with a lot of money throws a 'vette beast in the 9-7X? How's that for drawing attention to a Saab. But then again, not many SUV drivers are interested in stuff like that. I'm sure none of them remember the X5 LM version with the V-12.
SaabKen
01-10-04, 06:36 PM
How about if Saab doesn't do it. Some else with a lot of money throws a 'vette beast in the 9-7X? How's that for drawing attention to a Saab. But then again, not many SUV drivers are interested in stuff like that. I'm sure none of them remember the X5 LM version with the V-12.
Oh boy I can just see it now, the new Lingenfelter/Saab 9-7X twin-turbo LS2 package, good for 650hp/600 lbs-ft and 20" bling bling wheels :roll:
Fast_Ed
01-10-04, 07:43 PM
How about if Saab doesn't do it. Some else with a lot of money throws a 'vette beast in the 9-7X? How's that for drawing attention to a Saab. But then again, not many SUV drivers are interested in stuff like that. I'm sure none of them remember the X5 LM version with the V-12.
Oh boy I can just see it now, the new Lingenfelter/Saab 9-7X twin-turbo LS2 package, good for 650hp/600 lbs-ft and 20" bling bling wheels :roll:
At least then it'd be something special! If you're going to build something that departs so greatly from the rest of the models, at least make it obnoxiously so. Cars are bought and sold based on emotion, and GM doesnt really put any feeling into this stuff.
valbowski1980
01-10-04, 08:03 PM
Cars are bought and sold based on emotion, and GM doesnt really put any feeling into this stuff.
There is always the Vette though :wink: , or as I call it "the only thing GM does right".
Fast_Ed
01-10-04, 09:49 PM
All right, I'll give them that. Of course, the only car that couldnt bend to platform sharing, automatics (thought they ARE offered :roll: ) or front wheel drive homogenizatoin. Kind of a hand-me down from when they were a car company instead of just a car company buying corporation.
Flash9-7x
24-11-04, 10:33 PM
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therealturbofan
13-02-05, 10:33 PM
first, no, gm will not do all this cool stuff, k? they won't unless EVERYBODY says they want it. gm isn't quite bright enough to go ahead and make the investment to make us hot rodders happy. as for the weirdo who doesn't understand powerful suv's, apparently you've never driven one. see, the great thing about it is the power makes it so you can stand to drive the silly things. you dude who bragged about his 9-3ss doing 115 with lots of stability, i've got an '89 900 turbo and it's slick and stable at 124. on the "autobahn." right. anyway, being scared by an suv at 65-70... that's really lame, unless you were driving it on the shoulder! my dad's 2001 dodge cummins pickup was nice and stable at 115! anyway, some people need to haul things with their suv's. other people buy them for status. and both of them like to move when they put their foot down. if you can't understand that, then why do YOU have more power in your car? you don't NEED it, so why not just drive a geo metro? exactly. power's fun. it's fun in an suv too.
andante
14-02-05, 12:49 AM
As I understand it the two initial versions of the 9-7X will be Linear and Arc. No Aero. (and no Viggen).
Why not use the Aero name for the V8? It is after all the most powerful Saab ever. And all other models (9-2, 9-3 and 9-5) are available as Aero.
The pessimistic explanation is that they do not consider the handling of the 9-7X worthy of the Aero name.
The optimistic explanation is that the Aero name will be used on a more powerful version of the 9-7X later on.
What do you think?
therealturbofan
14-02-05, 08:30 PM
of course no viggen. if there were a viggen, it would be the only viggen available at this time and we all know that they'd viggen the 9-3 long before they'd viggen the 9-7x. the aero for saab doesn't necessarily seem to mean the most powerful version, but it's there to signify a sweet, fast, TURBOCHARGED car. the 9-7x isn't a car, nor is it turbocharged or very fast and therefore doesn't really deserve the designation of aero. IF saab were to lower the 9-7x, stiffen the suspension, and put the LS2 in it then it'd deserve the aero. but that's not gonna happen.
you may say i'm being pessimistic, but GM does that to people if it doesn't concern the vette. be as optimistic about the vette as you want, GM will probably fulfil your expectations. when it comes to anything else, expect nothing and chances are you'll be satisfied.
i really don't expect gm to do anything really fancy with the 9-7x. it's a trailblazer. they wanted a piece of the luxury suv pie. makes you wonder: why didn't they just build a cadillac version and let saab stick with cars?
;)
SaabKen
14-02-05, 10:04 PM
If and when Saab ressurects the Viggen moniker IMO it should go to very few, if even more than one, model line. When the NG9-3 Viggen came out it was the most special version of the 9-3 line, one that their Marketing folks felt emodied all the best characteristics (even torque steer) that defined Saab at that time. Sure there could have been a 9-5 Viggen too, but would 9-5 buyers cared so much when they already have an Aero ? Would the world have cared ?
Despite other marques possessing top-dog designations (BMW's M, Audi's RS, MB's CL/AMG , Acura's Type-S/Type-R, Jag's R type, etc), I think if there were to be a Viggen model for each 9-2/9-3/9-5/9-6/9-7 line it would dilute the Viggen concept as well as the Aero concept.
Despite other marques possessing top-dog designations (BMW's M, Audi's RS, MB's CL/AMG , Acura's Type-S/Type-R, Jag's R type, etc), I think if there were to be a Viggen model for each 9-2/9-3/9-5/9-6/9-7 line it would dilute the Viggen concept as well as the Aero concept.
Agrred 100%. Viggen is a model, not a designation. And a very special model that should apply to a smaller sports hatchback, IMO.
therealturbofan
14-02-05, 11:38 PM
reply to last two posts::
...which is more or less what i said. the viggen is something special, and something they'd NEVER tack onto an SUV.
SaabKen
14-02-05, 11:50 PM
Parallel chats next door ......
http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43992
Besides, the vegans couldn't possibly tolerate a 9-7X Viggen let alone the 9-7X itself :cheesy: