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Pstone
05-05-04, 10:14 PM
I've been around this forum about 3 mos since I bought my Saabs. I've asked and had answered a bunch of detailing questions here from fellow Saabists. My son emailed me a link to this site last night as he was thinking about buying a Cyclo polisher or maybe a Porter Cable one. I've never seen this site referenced here: Autopia.com. I looked around Autotopia's site and was amazed at the amount of detailing info in their threads, many comments are directly from the detailing pros themselves. Check it out and let me know what you think.
http://www.autopia.org/forums/index.php?s=

Dan1
06-05-04, 01:02 AM
too much japanese and rice. i feel infected.

Slaab4life
06-05-04, 06:51 AM
not too bad a site. learned how to remove those spots of wax that have gotten onto plastic pieces, AND I followed the rules of posting.......I searched first, and found my answer. Great! Use 3M Ahesive, Tar and Wax Remover. <--wrote that so I can come right back to the post to remind me of what the name of the stuff is.

Mattlach
06-05-04, 05:23 PM
Jesus...

These kids spend A LOT of time washing/waxing their cars.

Do they not have lives?

I take my car to a high pressure brushless carwash once in a blue moon...

Apart from that, Rain = carwash for me :P

ragtopcav
06-05-04, 06:39 PM
It has been accossionally muted about having a detailing section with the SC forums, i think that now we know the whereabouts of that site it's the place to go for such detailing tips.

Dave B
09-05-04, 01:54 PM
People who know me know I like my car all clean and shiny!
Just had a look on that site and the bettercarcare site. They are fantastic with excellent 'how to's' and tips. Thanks for sharing the link Pstone!

I just hope it doesn't get out of hand :cheesy:

Pstone
09-05-04, 06:17 PM
People who know me know I like my car all clean and shiny!
Just had a look on that site and the bettercarcare site. They are fantastic with excellent 'how to's' and tips. Thanks for sharing the link Pstone!

I just hope it doesn't get out of hand :cheesy:

Check out the "Learn" icon at the top of their home page. I think a link also takes you to Mcguiar's home page. At this site the CEO gives some free educational videos. How to remove swirl marks etc. These are great and also a time saver. I've always used many of their products anyway but these videos are great marketing tools for them. Taught me a lot in the last few days alone, as I prepare to embark on the "perfect" detail job on my 2 cars.
I actually use 1.Klasse (all in one)cleaner polish 2. Klasse Sealant Glaze and lastly 3. P21s Wax. I picked up in these products in these Saab threads. They are some of the more popular products talked about at the detailing site. I learned it's all about how you prepare the surface, such as clay barring first and machine polishing the Klasse AIO cleaner polish by orbital or hand. I'm going to use a rotary polisher with some light cutting products first as there are many small scratches on my cars since I bought them off leases.
here is a link: http://www.meguiars.com/clinics/clinics_template.cfm

Dave B
10-05-04, 04:34 PM
Up until now I have been an Autoglym and 3M person I have never seen Klasse products in the UK but after looking at those sites I am tempted to try the Meguiar products. These and Klasse seem to be the preferred choice. Had a look in our UK major motor factors today, Halfords, but they don't stock Klasse or Meguiars, so will have to search some more.

Oh the joys of owning a black car!!!!

I've cut my car a few times now but I use 3M Finesse It which is very delicate and works brilliantly on black cars, much like I am sure AIO. Anything harsher would create swirls. I am currently going through the process of applying 2-3 coats of Autoglym super resin polish but need a decent sealant/wax.

Have you tried Meguiars NXT, I think that is a finishing sealant/wax which seemed to get mentioned a few times in the forum on Autopia? Am after that deep wet shine finish.

Cheers

Dave

Dave B
10-05-04, 04:54 PM
Well good and bad news. Loads of Meguiars stockists in the UK but Google didn't bring anything up for Klasse.

Ordered a sample sachet of NXT Tech wax so will let you know how I get on with it.

Pstone
10-05-04, 05:41 PM
Many like the NXT. We have it in stores where I am. But I ordered the P21s online last month and the stuff is the best. No more brown/white residual on the black trim or going over the cars cracks with a toothbrush. It's $25 a jar but goes really far. Try this over whatever you use for the final coat. Its Carnuba and beeswax.

Dave B
10-05-04, 06:00 PM
Who makes P21S? Is it Klasse? Don't think we can get it in the UK. Just registered on Autopia so will hopefully get more advice and tips.

Up until now I have finished with AG Extra Gloss protection which I have been pleased with, but understand that my polishing process has not included a wax, just a cut then polish then sealant so am looking at NXT wax to fill that gap.

Pstone
10-05-04, 07:14 PM
I just bought a rotary polisher (porter cable 7428) on autogeek.com website. They also sell P21s along with Meg products, Klasse and just about everyone elses lines. check out their site. they may ship to England. You might also try a BMW or Harley dealership some harley shops carry S100 which I'm told here is the same stuff only for $10 a jar. If not just do a search and ask the site if they ship to England. Klasse is from Germany. The jar says P21s is made in connecticut,U.S.

Pstone
10-05-04, 10:14 PM
Dave . . . I found this a few minutes ago. It's the final steps I'm trying to emulate. My rotary won't be here until weeks end but come next week I'll be using this 6 step process after I prepare the surface.

http://www.bettercarcare.com/articles.php?articleId=28

92-Vert
10-05-04, 10:44 PM
WOW :o That sight is awesome !!!!!!!!!

And at a time when I am really getting into my detailing.

Thanks, Pstone

"Saabs Ride On" 8)

brunp
11-05-04, 08:19 AM
I mad the mistake of accidently using the cloth I was using to wax the war with on the plastic black parts and viola, I have a waxy whilte residue which I need to get rid of on my car. Damn...anyway, I will be looking through their forum posts to see how I can remove it and make the panels look black again.

Paul

Alex
11-05-04, 11:52 AM
P21S is available from Serious Performance (http://www.seriousperformance.co.uk/sp/products/polish_wax.php).

The Step 1 and 2 Meguiars products are also very highly regarded, with the Step 3 (Wax) being replaced with either the Meguiars Gold Class wax or with products from other suppliers such as Swissol or Zymol.

Pstone
11-05-04, 07:37 PM
I mad the mistake of accidently using the cloth I was using to wax the war with on the plastic black parts and viola, I have a waxy whilte residue which I need to get rid of on my car. Damn...anyway, I will be looking through their forum posts to see how I can remove it and make the panels look black again.

Paul

This stuff is the best for removing the white residual off plastic parts. It's called "autoglym bumper care" Wipe on it's gone. Another poster here when I had the same ? said peanut butter also works and restores the black back. But buy a bottle of this stuff. Here is a link: http://store.yahoo.com/autopia/ag-16325.html
But you can do a search for it also. Or see if one of this sites sponsers carries it and will ship to Canada.

Another suggestion is buy a jar of P21s wax. Leaves NO white residual on car or plastic. One jar goes a long way. I've read here that Harley dealers sell the same stuff for $10 but its called P100. Stuffs a dream, amazing DEEP shine when done if you prepare the surface correctly. Comes off with ease. Its Pure Carnuba and beeswax.

Pstone
11-05-04, 07:53 PM
WOW :o That sight is awesome !!!!!!!!!

And at a time when I am really getting into my detailing.

Thanks, Pstone

"Saabs Ride On" 8)

Hey 92-vert I like your avatar. Amazingly bright color!
I just finished reading a how to for an orbital buffer which are the safest for non-pro's. My son just bought a Porter-Cable 7424 for $109 at Lowes. This machine is very popular at the detailing site. Here is the link to the how to use an orbital: http://bimmer.roadfly.org/bmw/forums/detailing/forum.php?
postid=1430487&page=1

Actually I'm detailing my 2 mos old 2001 9-5 so I can sell it and buy a Saab vert. I'm going to detail the finish on this baby so deep that I'll have to hold the buyer back from trying to jump into the hoods reflection as they will think it's a placid early morning pond. It's dark blue.
Well that's the plan, anyway :cheesy:

92-Vert
11-05-04, 09:58 PM
Pstone,
I must say it is punched up a bit.The color is dark blue. But we all have an idea of what out Saabs look like and this is mine. I do truely love my Saab convertible it is without a dought one of my greatest pleasures in life. To me there is nothing like getting into it on a warm spring day putting the top down and openning it up on some lonely strech of road. But isn't that in some way why we all love our Saabs.

Here is the full size Avatar I thought jou might like to see it. Richard

Saabs Ride On" 8)

Dave B
13-05-04, 04:43 PM
Aarrghh This is doing my head in. For the past two days I have been wracking my brain over which wax to go with. How stupid!!! Anyway I'm going to trust your judgement Pstone (and that of the Bettercarcare link) and I have decided to go with P21S :cheesy:

If I can't find it in town then I will order from SP, thanks for the site link Alex.

Rhino2.3t
13-05-04, 05:38 PM
lovin saab's / whatever makes you tick.. but detailing?

nearly as bad as that 'hat rard' programme on Discovery.. that makes cookie on 'monster garage' look like a real bloke who actually knows his stuff, let alone some engineering qualification :D
'judge, jury, and if need be, executioner'
(tv comedy at its best - until they hacked up a lotus to make a hovercraft)

cats' off, petrol in, open road.. polish after.
for top waxes and sealants talk nicely to your nearest powerboat hull manfacturer - the stuff put on GRP resists salt/petrol/dirt/UV more than any specialist car wax.

Pstone
13-05-04, 10:30 PM
Aarrghh This is doing my head in. For the past two days I have been wracking my brain over which wax to go with. How stupid!!! Anyway I'm going to trust your judgment Pstone (and that of the Bettercarcare link) and I have decided to go with P21S :cheesy:

If I can't find it in town then I will order from SP, thanks for the site link Alex.

Try clay barring your car first to prepare the surface. Mothers or Meguiars makes some kits. About $14.00 for the kit at pep boys, kmart etc. It also comes with a bottle of quick detail spray (you'd pay about $5.00 a bottle individually). Just spray some on for lubrication and rub the small block of clay over the paint (its really just like modeling clay). within a few seconds the finish will be smooth as a babies As*. It removes all the oxidation and contaminants that settle into your paints finish. Then wax with the P21s (I bought my jar on-line also) It's really great stuff. Meguiars NXT is OK also but it's a synthetic. P21s is pure Carnuba and Beeswax . . goes on and off so smooth by hand with absolutely no white stuff left behind. You will find yourself doing another 2 coats as it's a labor of love when your car looks so good. OK to use the detailing spray over the P21s between washes. Be sure to wash car before using spray detailer otherwise dirt can scratch your finish. Check out this car that these guys just detailed. It's amazing.
http://www.autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37464&pagenumber=1

A sealer/glaze is just some liquid polish looking stuff that one can put on before they put the final coat of wax on to give the finish protection for about 6 months. But for now just do the clay bar followed by the P21s. Once you see the results YOU'LL BE HOOKED into the world of detailing.

Why detail your Saab? It's a known fact that guys who drive well maintained, shiny Saabs are more well endowed!!!!!!

My rotary buffer came today. Early next week, I'll buff out both my Saabs clear coat finish to remove any scratches, flaws and those spider like circles that you can see when the sun hits the finish.
I'll then buff with a polish called Klasse AIO (all in one) then wipe on a sealant/glaze also made by Klasse. Lastly, I'll hand rub on the P21s. Yours will look almost as good, the sealant just makes the shine a little deeper and last longer, But try the two steps I suggested above first before you get into a glazing step.

Check out this thread where this guy went over his bosses truck with an orbital buffer (about $100 for a good one). Note: An orbital buffer won't hurt your finish where a rotary can burn your finish if you don't know what you are doing. Anyone can use an orbital buffer pretty safely.
scroll down to the pics of the side of the truck where he buffed out the scratches. Unbelievable!
http://www.autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37362

Pstone
13-05-04, 11:08 PM
lovin saab's / whatever makes you tick.. but detailing?

nearly as bad as that 'hat rard' programme on Discovery.. that makes cookie on 'monster garage' look like a real bloke who actually knows his stuff, let alone some engineering qualification :D
'judge, jury, and if need be, executioner'
(tv comedy at its best - until they hacked up a lotus to make a hovercraft)

cats' off, petrol in, open road.. polish after.
for top waxes and sealants talk nicely to your nearest powerboat hull manfacturer - the stuff put on GRP resists salt/petrol/dirt/UV more than any specialist car wax.

:roll: :roll: :roll: Very coherent statement . . . Does everyone on "Planet Saab" talk like you :-?? :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:

Rhino2.3t
14-05-04, 04:07 AM
i wouldn't say everyone talks like me here on the 'planet, but most folks get the gist and at least the sun is always shining :D

mmm and glancing through the window, whilst remaining on topic :wink: judging the by the state of the Disco.. still with mud all over the ROOF 8) after i got it stuck last weekend, well i guess my endowment must be almost non existent :cheesy: add to that the humiliation of being rescued by a ricewagon 4x4 and i'm just gonna give up right now 8)

Paco
14-05-04, 05:11 AM
Teflon coating is pretty handy apparently, and no your car doesn't end up looking like a frying pan :nono;

It's used for aircraft, and a local guy here has done a few cars with it, might get a quote for my car, coz it's a lot to polish......and I'm moderately lazy :wink:

Dave B
14-05-04, 04:39 PM
A few years back I saw a brand new 911 turbo (964 3.6 turbo - proper jobbie!) in the dealership with a sticker that warned that the car had been teflon coated and the car must only be rinsed with water. Must admit I have never seen or heard of such like since.

Pstone - I'm having the bonnet (hood) and roof (roof!)(sorry :oops: ) professionally mopped next week. Already prep'd the sides using 3M Finesse it and AGSR and should have the P21S end of next week. Am planing on sealing first too. How often do you re-apply the P21S, I've read some reviews and they all say it doesn't last much more than a month.Are you finding the same.

Are you referring to a PC? We can't get them here in the UK though I believe some people are importing and converting them. Don't know how much they cost but being a saddo and masochistic I guess I enjoy doing most things by hand (cue the witty remarks from raggy :roll: )

Pstone
16-05-04, 10:33 AM
i wouldn't say everyone talks like me here on the 'planet, but most folks get the gist and at least the sun is always shining :D

mmm and glancing through the window, whilst remaining on topic :wink: judging the by the state of the Disco.. still with mud all over the ROOF 8) after i got it stuck last weekend, well i guess my endowment must be almost non existent :cheesy: add to that the humiliation of being rescued by a ricewagon 4x4 and i'm just gonna give up right
now 8)

Ahhhh Soooo, you funny guy Mr Rhino . . SI-O-NIRA :!

Pstone
16-05-04, 11:24 AM
Teflon coating . . . I'm not familiar with it.

P21S end of next week. Am planing on sealing first too. How often do you re-apply the P21S? . . .

P21s over a sealant or on it's own will still only last about 6 weeks especially if car is kept outdoors or driven to work each day. But once car is sealed using a glazing polish it's really quick to lay down another coat of P21s, almost as easy as spraying quick detailing spray every now and then to shine it up. The paints surface is so smooth it takes me about 20 min to apply another coat of wax.
If durability is what your after then the synthetics or tech waxes like McGuiar's NXT is great. But you won't get that wet look shine as much as using pure carnuba products like P21s.
Keep in mind the use of any detailing products is very subjective to personal tastes. I was only used to putting on "old school" products, I recently tossed out a can of classic car wax that I had for 35 years.
I own two dark cars so the results to me are outstanding from what I used to use. It will be fun for me testing out other products that I read about.
But your end results can only be as good as your surface preparation. It's just like if you were painting a house, if you don't prepare the surface you'll end up with sub par results.

Are you referring to a PC? Of course one can do detailing by hand. It's just that the surface preparation takes 5 times longer. One car is OK but if you own 3 it just takes too much time and effort. So the easy route is to have a pro detail your car every now and then. But it's expensive.

An investment in a quality orbital buffer ($100 or so) will pay for itself. To me with 3 cars, it's a must if I want to ever get to prepping them all. You can do a search at the Autopia's threads as I've seen where people buy them in the U.S. and convert them. You could also buy a converter transformer to plug it into I would think. Ebay is another site to pick one up for a bargain when you're in the market for one. I'd do a search for "Porter-Cable" scroll through the listings. I saw 2 for sale in the first few pages #7424 is the "polisher"
Make sure the seller will ship to UK before you ever bid, email and ask them. They also will say in description if they will ship inter'l

And don't confuse it with an angle grinder or a sander which are there too. Although you can use the 7424 as a sander too for other jobs.

You could always take a vacation here in the U.S. and bring one back with you :cheesy:

Rhino2.3t
16-05-04, 03:28 PM
was that a dig? mmm well anyways like i said - each to his own 8)

the teflon coating works wonders btw.
i should get a t-shirt with 'too busy to buff' written on it.

Lowell1984
16-05-04, 05:58 PM
I am also a member of Autopia. It is an excellent website for detailing. But I feel that it has become a bit too comercialized, but besides that it has good information. If you want another good site, go to www.detailcity.com. It is a new site, so it's alot like autopia used to be when it started up, a good database without all of the pressure to buy anything, or the detail nazis that you incounter on autopia.
Also if you want good information look for anything written by Gingerbreadman on either sites. He is a friend of mine. He knows more about detailing that anyone I know. His life is detailing. You can PM him on either site. He is more that willing to share any information he has.

Pstone
16-05-04, 09:24 PM
was that a dig? mmm well anyways like i said - each to his own 8)

the teflon coating works wonders btw.
i should get a t-shirt with 'too busy to buff' written on it.

It was a joke . . don't be so sensitive :nono;

Pstone
16-05-04, 09:33 PM
I'll check it out . . . and thx for the contact as I'm about to take a rotary to the finish for the first time and to PM your friend would be great.

Yes, I agree with the commercialization of the Autopia site but there "is" a lot of information there. Too bad the way some posters try to jam their preferences down your throat and feel their way is the only way. but that's life!

Dave B
17-05-04, 02:14 PM
I put a post on Autopia and ,whether this makes a difference or not, I posted on a UK weighted thread and the responses I got were very much along the lines of 'all down to personal taste' and 'whatever works for you' type thing. The only thing they really agreed on was the steps and processes.
Itching to try P21S now.

Same thing with tyre dressings. My tyres are blooming and wanted something that prevents it but not glossy. Found a place that still sells Meguiars Endurance low gloss so will try that. Did some searching first on the site and gave up after a while with people saying this is better than that followed by that is better than this :roll:

Each to their own I think!

Pstone
18-05-04, 03:04 PM
I bought a spray bottle of Meguiar's hot wheels. It's OK, none of them are great. I was using Meg. Endurance but it's a mess and greasy especially on the applicator. They say wheels won't turn brown by oxidation as fast but I don't see them last any longer. Especially after the rain most dressings are 90% gone. With any of them if you don't like the wet look, just wait till it's dry and buff with a dry towel for that dull look. Some people on the site also like Eagle one but I have not tried it yet.
Paul

On the process, thats what I was saying . . . most of the products do the same thing, its only their abrasive level that's any different. Clay barring is what you want to do first (it's fast and easy to do, but most people don't know what it is) followed by polishing/sealing (if you want it to last 6 mos or more) and then waxing for the ultimate deep shine. It's only if your finish is scratched or discolored where you need to do 3 other steps by hand or buffer/polisher (saves time, a "lot" of time) to prepare the finish for the final detailing. Kind of a waste of time, effort and money to just wax over a bad finish. It's actually quite easy to prepare it with the products available now.

Pstone
18-05-04, 03:23 PM
Don't know if you caught this thread:
They also list a site for purchasing a transformer for U.S. power tools to UK. Beides where to by products over there.
http://www.autopia.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29410&highlight=products

Dave B
19-05-04, 05:11 PM
Funnily enough Paul I had seen that thread. Been through all 10 pages an that is were I also found that some UK guys were getting the PC's over here.

Also what you say about 'dulling' wet look tyre dressings. Meguiars said the same when I e-mailed them my query, you take take hi shine finishes back by rubbing them. Fortunately though they told me that Original Low gloss is still available here, they gave me a number to call so will give it a try. Would've liked to try Zaino Z16 but again looks like we brits miss out. Then again there is probably some fantastic product here in the uk, just haven't found it yet!! :roll: