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Paul
5th May 2004, 06:33 PM
The rolling road day at Power engineering is booked for Saturday 10th July

The cost will be 35 per car including VAT, this is based on a minimum number of 15 cars on the rollers. For those that haven't been before PE is in Uxbridge, NW London very close to the M25.

Power Engineering,
The Power House,
8 Union Buildings,
Wallingford Road,
Uxbridge,
Middlesex
UB8 2FR
England

A location map can be found here (http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=504971&y=182959&z=0&sv=UB8%2B2FR&st=2&pc=UB8%2B2FR&mapp=newmap.srf&searchp=newsearch.srf)

The rolling road session starts at 9am

All are welcome, please add your name to the list if you wish to join us

[1] Paul
[2]
[3]
[4]
[5]
[6]

Rhino2.3t
5th May 2004, 06:46 PM
umm.. what if you're 'between Saabs'?
i'm sure the Fiat Brava 1.4S must be pushing near 57bhp (bling horsepower) at the wheels... wouldn't want to get laughed at mind :wink:

Alanb
5th May 2004, 07:10 PM
[1] Paul
[2] Alanb
[3]
[4]
[5]
[6]

ragtopcav
5th May 2004, 07:11 PM
[1] Paul
[2] Iain [ragtopcav] but which car shall I bring :cheesy: ?
[3]
[4]
[5]
[6]

Late June [26th?] sounds good to me.

Simon
5th May 2004, 07:22 PM
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain [ragtopcav] but which car shall I bring :cheesy: ?
[4] Simon
[5]
[6]

Alanb
5th May 2004, 07:33 PM
Late June is best for me as well.

Alanb

ragtopcav
5th May 2004, 07:37 PM
Starting to look like the same old riff raff again, should be fun, certainly was last time. A real eye opener too. Anyone whom was there there last time and has since made some changes this'll be the chance to see if they were worth it.

Matthew
6th May 2004, 05:58 AM
The SOC National is 18th - 20th June.

Raggy, have you had your 900 dynoed since installing the new lairy cams and big-bore throttle body?

On the dyno:
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain [ragtopcav] but which car shall I bring ?
[4] Simon
[5]
[6]

Spectating:
[1] Matthew
[2]
[3]
[4]

Pub lunch afterwards :cheesy:
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain
[4] Simon
[5] Matthew
[6]
[7]

I took the liberty of adding all your names to the "pub lunch" list :)

ragtopcav
6th May 2004, 06:15 AM
Raggy, have you had your 900 dynoed since installing the new lairy cams and big-bore throttle body?the throttle body mod was done because of the way it drove after fitting the cams, hence it'll be really fascinating to see what the same rolling road results show.

I took the liberty of adding all your names to the "pub lunch" list :)Liberty accepted :roll: are we going to go to the same pub with all the weapons [bottles] lined up [ornamentally arranged] :lol: .
Hey I'm from Coventry, spotting a usable weapon is a birthright :cheesy:

Paco
6th May 2004, 06:32 AM
Starting to look like the same old riff raff again.

Fraid not, having just "lost" the Carly we would appear to be without a functioning Saab :( (mind you, by June....?)

Of course there's a chance my 900 will turn up in the care of it's new owner, although nothing has been changed on it since last time.....

ragtopcav
6th May 2004, 06:39 AM
Paco, bring the big cat, we're car nut enough to enjoy anyhow.

Paco
6th May 2004, 06:44 AM
Hmmm...it would be interesting to see what she puts out, torque in particular.... 8)

Nuts
6th May 2004, 07:31 AM
Late June might be a problem as I'll be moving around then. Early June might be difficult as well as I'll be fitting/tuning the extra injectors :o :cheesy: However I'll put my name down for now.

On the dyno:
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain [ragtopcav] but which car shall I bring ?
[4] Simon
[5] Sam (Nuts)
[6]

Spectating:
[1] Matthew
[2]
[3]
[4]

Pub lunch afterwards :cheesy:
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain
[4] Simon
[5] Matthew
[6] Sam
[7]

Jezzadee
6th May 2004, 09:34 AM
On the dyno:
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain [ragtopcav] but which car shall I bring ?
[4] Simon
[5] Sam (Nuts)
[6] Jezzadee

Spectating:
[1] Matthew
[2]
[3]
[4]

Pub lunch afterwards
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain
[4] Simon
[5] Matthew
[6] Sam
[7]

Rob Sandey
6th May 2004, 02:10 PM
On the dyno:
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain [ragtopcav] but which car shall I bring ?
[4] Simon
[5] Sam (Nuts)
[6] Jezzadee
[7] Rob S. (to see what difference the Viggen IC has made)
[8]
[9]
[10]

Spectating:
[1] Matthew
[2]
[3]
[4]

Pub lunch afterwards
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain
[4] Simon
[5] Matthew
[6] Sam
[7] Rob S.
[8]
[9]
[10]

boxman
6th May 2004, 03:03 PM
On the dyno:
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain [ragtopcav] but which car shall I bring ?
[4] Simon
[5] Sam (Nuts)
[6] Jezzadee
[7] Rob S. (to see what difference the Viggen IC has made)
[8] boxman
[9]
[10]

Spectating:
[1] Matthew
[2]
[3]
[4]

Pub lunch afterwards
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain
[4] Simon
[5] Matthew
[6] Sam
[7] Rob S.
[8]
[9]
[10]

Rob Sandey
6th May 2004, 03:59 PM
Hmmm...it would be interesting to see what she puts out, torque in particular.... 8)

Go on Paco bring the Big Cat, I would to see and hear it powering those rollers :wink: :cheesy: :cheesy: :cheesy:

akamal
6th May 2004, 07:54 PM
Sounds like a excellent idea, and perfect timing...
:)

On the dyno:
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain [ragtopcav] but which car shall I bring ?
[4] Simon
[5] Sam (Nuts)
[6] Jezzadee
[7] Rob S. (to see what difference the Viggen IC has made)
[8] boxman (depending on date cant do soc weekend or one before)
[9] Amir (akamal) hopefully with 3" downpipe and a working clutch!
[10]

Spectating:
[1] Matthew
[2]
[3]
[4]

Pub lunch afterwards
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain
[4] Simon
[5] Matthew
[6] Sam
[7] Rob S.
[8] Amir
[9]
[10]

Paco
7th May 2004, 05:58 AM
Oh go on then :wink:

On the dyno:
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain [ragtopcav] but which car shall I bring ?
[4] Simon
[5] Sam (Nuts)
[6] Jezzadee
[7] Rob S. (to see what difference the Viggen IC has made)
[8] boxman (depending on date cant do soc weekend or one before)
[9] Amir (akamal) hopefully with 3" downpipe and a working clutch!
[10]Paco XJ6 Viggen... :roll:

Spectating:
[1] Matthew
[2]
[3]
[4]

Pub lunch afterwards
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain
[4] Simon
[5] Matthew
[6] Sam
[7] Rob S.
[8] Amir
[9] Paco (obviously)
[10]

Paul
7th May 2004, 06:35 AM
I've just booked the day for Saturday July 10th, unfortunately this was the only available Saturday PE had anywhere around the end of June...

The cost will be 35 incl VAT per car based on a minimum of 15 cars on the rollers

I'll be moving this thread into the events forum shortly.

boxman
7th May 2004, 08:49 AM
arrhh shucks,i can't do that weekend :cry:

boxman

count me back in

Angua
9th May 2004, 05:26 PM
On the dyno:
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain [ragtopcav] but which car shall I bring ?
[4] Simon
[5] Sam (Nuts)
[6] Jezzadee
[7] Rob S. (to see what difference the Viggen IC has made)
[8] boxman (depending on date cant do soc weekend or one before)
[9] Amir (akamal) hopefully with 3" downpipe and a working clutch!
[10] Paco XJ6 Viggen...
[11] Tina (angua)

Spectating:
[1] Matthew
[2]
[3]
[4]

Pub lunch afterwards
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain
[4] Simon
[5] Matthew
[6] Sam
[7] Rob S.
[8] Amir
[9] Paco (obviously)
[10] Tina

With my 9000 to see what he does!

john-w
9th May 2004, 07:08 PM
I've just booked the day for Saturday July 10th, unfortunately this was the only available Saturday PE had anywhere around the end of June...

The cost will be 35 incl VAT per car based on a minimum of 15 cars on the rollers

I'll be moving this thread into the events forum shortly.

Paul, this is the day after the Saabscene track day at Angelsey on the 9th.

ragtopcav
9th May 2004, 08:40 PM
Paul, this is the day after the Saabscene track day at Angelsey on the 9th.I gave this some thought too, as I'm low on holidays from work already a saturday event is more likely for me to attend that one on a work day. I fear no more track days until the thick end of September when the circuits become available for plebs at the weekend.

Alanb
10th May 2004, 08:10 AM
10th July looks fine for me.

Alanb

Alanb
10th May 2004, 08:11 AM
PS Could someone bring the net again to catch the bits from my engine?

aeroT16
10th May 2004, 06:53 PM
Is it just my tired eyes or is there a distinct lack of a rather fruity black 900 T16 on this list. Lol - maybe he is still sitting in Al B's boot trying to escape after his track marvels??!! :cheesy:

Paul
10th May 2004, 08:00 PM
I've just booked the day for Saturday July 10th, unfortunately this was the only available Saturday PE had anywhere around the end of June...

The cost will be 35 incl VAT per car based on a minimum of 15 cars on the rollers

I'll be moving this thread into the events forum shortly.

Paul, this is the day after the Saabscene track day at Angelsey on the 9th.

I hadn't realised that John! That is rather unfortunate timing, but this date was the only free date PE had until into August. I did not think August was a particulary good time what with Holidays etc etc.....

Ozzy_UK
23rd May 2004, 10:41 PM
On the dyno:
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain [ragtopcav] but which car shall I bring ?
[4] Simon
[5] Sam (Nuts)
[6] Jezzadee
[7] Rob S. (to see what difference the Viggen IC has made)
[8] boxman (depending on date cant do soc weekend or one before)
[9] Amir (akamal) hopefully with 3" downpipe and a working clutch!
[10] Paco XJ6 Viggen...
[11] Tina (angua)
[12] Oz (see if i can pop my dyno cherry!)

Spectating:
[1] Matthew
[2]
[3]
[4]

Pub lunch afterwards
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain
[4] Simon
[5] Matthew
[6] Sam
[7] Rob S.
[8] Amir
[9] Paco (obviously)
[10] Tina
[11] Oz

looking forward to it already

TFatC
25th May 2004, 07:41 PM
As I shall be in the area (Anglesey IS near London from here :cheesy: ) and providing the 99T survives the track day the day before, I would love to know what it is putting out so I guess I will HAVE to be there as well! :cheesy:

On the dyno:
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain [ragtopcav] but which car shall I bring ?
[4] Simon
[5] Sam (Nuts)
[6] Jezzadee
[7] Rob S. (to see what difference the Viggen IC has made)
[8] boxman (depending on date cant do soc weekend or one before)
[9] Amir (akamal) hopefully with 3" downpipe and a working clutch!
[10] Paco XJ6 Viggen...
[11] Tina (angua)
[12] Oz (see if i can pop my dyno cherry!)
[12a] TFatC

Spectating:
[1] Matthew
[2]
[3]
[4]

Pub lunch afterwards
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain
[4] Simon
[5] Matthew
[6] Sam
[7] Rob S.
[8] Amir
[9] Paco (obviously)
[10] Tina
[11] Oz
[12] TFatC (of course!)

boxman
26th May 2004, 06:33 AM
On the dyno:
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain [ragtopcav] but which car shall I bring ?
[4] Simon
[5] Sam (Nuts)
[6] Jezzadee
[7] Rob S. (to see what difference the Viggen IC has made)
[8] boxman (depending on date cant do soc weekend or one before)
[9] Amir (akamal) hopefully with 3" downpipe and a working clutch!
[10] Paco XJ6 Viggen...
[11] Tina (angua)
[12] Oz (see if i can pop my dyno cherry!)
[12a] TFatC

Spectating:
[1] Matthew
[2]
[3]
[4]

Pub lunch afterwards
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain
[4] Simon
[5] Matthew
[6] Sam
[7] Rob S.
[8] Amir
[9] Paco (obviously)
[10] Tina
[11] Oz
[12] TFatC (of course)
[13] boxman ( ohh go on then :lol: )

Abbott 900
26th May 2004, 07:26 AM
On the dyno:
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain [ragtopcav] but which car shall I bring ?
[4] Simon
[5] Sam (Nuts)
[6] Jezzadee
[7] Rob S. (to see what difference the Viggen IC has made)
[8] boxman (depending on date cant do soc weekend or one before)
[9] Amir (akamal) hopefully with 3" downpipe and a working clutch!
[10] Paco XJ6 Viggen...
[11] Tina (angua)
[12] Oz (see if i can pop my dyno cherry!)
[12a] TFatC

Spectating:
[1] Matthew
[2] Chris (Abbott 900) - (Although if I can be bothered to fix the inner drivers by then, I may consider the dyno)
[3]
[4]

Pub lunch afterwards
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain
[4] Simon
[5] Matthew
[6] Sam
[7] Rob S.
[8] Amir
[9] Paco (obviously)
[10] Tina
[11] Oz
[12] TFatC (of course)
[13] boxman ( ohh go on then )
[14] Chris (Abbott 900)

Matthew
26th May 2004, 07:50 PM
PS Could someone bring the net again to catch the bits from my engine?
Don't joke - this dyno day is one year (to the weekend) since you and I did the engine swap :o :o

Now, if I were a superstitious person.... ;)

KevinC
1st June 2004, 05:44 PM
On the dyno:
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain [ragtopcav] but which car shall I bring ?
[4] Simon
[5] Sam (Nuts)
[6] Jezzadee
[7] Rob S. (to see what difference the Viggen IC has made)
[8] boxman (depending on date cant do soc weekend or one before)
[9] Amir (akamal) hopefully with 3" downpipe and a working clutch!
[10] Paco XJ6 Viggen...
[11] Tina (angua)
[12] Oz (see if i can pop my dyno cherry!)
[12a] TFatC
[13] KevinC (possible conflict w/ business travel, wanna go.)
[14]

Spectating:
[1] Matthew
[2] Chris (Abbott 900) - (Although if I can be bothered to fix the inner drivers by then, I may consider the dyno)
[3]
[4]

Pub lunch afterwards
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain
[4] Simon
[5] Matthew
[6] Sam
[7] Rob S.
[8] Amir
[9] Paco (obviously)
[10] Tina
[11] Oz
[12] TFatC (of course)
[13] boxman ( ohh go on then )
[14] Chris (Abbott 900)
[15] KevinC
[16]

TFatC
3rd June 2004, 09:14 AM
Due to the lousy g1ts at work basically giving me an ultimatum (after 16 years, that is the thanks you get!! :evil: :evil: ) I will no longer be able to do either Anglesey or the rolling road :cry:

One day I will get there....

On the dyno:
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain [ragtopcav] but which car shall I bring ?
[4] Simon
[5] Sam (Nuts)
[6] Jezzadee
[7] Rob S. (to see what difference the Viggen IC has made)
[8] boxman (depending on date cant do soc weekend or one before)
[9] Amir (akamal) hopefully with 3" downpipe and a working clutch!
[10] Paco XJ6 Viggen...
[11] Tina (angua)
[12] Oz (see if i can pop my dyno cherry!)
[13] KevinC (possible conflict w/ business travel, wanna go.)
[14]

Spectating:
[1] Matthew
[2] Chris (Abbott 900) - (Although if I can be bothered to fix the inner drivers by then, I may consider the dyno)
[3]
[4]

Pub lunch afterwards
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain
[4] Simon
[5] Matthew
[6] Sam
[7] Rob S.
[8] Amir
[9] Paco (obviously)
[10] Tina
[11] Oz
[12] boxman ( ohh go on then )
[13] Chris (Abbott 900)
[14] KevinC
[15]

T9 dreamer
4th June 2004, 01:18 PM
What the hell - 400 miles should be a decent warm-up! :o :lol:

Stuart
(aka T9 dreamer)


On the dyno:
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain [ragtopcav] but which car shall I bring ?
[4] Simon
[5] Sam (Nuts)
[6] Jezzadee
[7] Rob S. (to see what difference the Viggen IC has made)
[8] boxman (depending on date cant do soc weekend or one before)
[9] Amir (akamal) hopefully with 3" downpipe and a working clutch!
[10] Paco XJ6 Viggen...
[11] Tina (angua)
[12] Oz (see if i can pop my dyno cherry!)
[13] KevinC (possible conflict w/ business travel, wanna go.)
[14] Stuart (T9 dreamer)

Spectating:
[1] Matthew
[2] Chris (Abbott 900) - (Although if I can be bothered to fix the inner drivers by then, I may consider the dyno)
[3]
[4]

Pub lunch afterwards
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain
[4] Simon
[5] Matthew
[6] Sam
[7] Rob S.
[8] Amir
[9] Paco (obviously)
[10] Tina
[11] Oz
[12] boxman ( ohh go on then )
[13] Chris (Abbott 900)
[14] KevinC
[15] Stuart (T9 dreamer)

CaptRossco
4th June 2004, 03:29 PM
OK so im at Angelsey so I may "fly" over and get her wound up again. Interesting to see if ive given myself more jee jees after soughting out that vac leak. Thats offcourse if I dont do anything nasty with her in the welshland.

This is gonna be expensive now fuel is like a million pounds a litre
On the dyno:
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain [ragtopcav] but which car shall I bring ?
[4] Simon
[5] Sam (Nuts)
[6] Jezzadee
[7] Rob S. (to see what difference the Viggen IC has made)
[8] boxman (depending on date cant do soc weekend or one before)
[9] Amir (akamal) hopefully with 3" downpipe and a working clutch!
[10] Paco XJ6 Viggen...
[11] Tina (angua)
[12] Oz (see if i can pop my dyno cherry!)
[13] KevinC (possible conflict w/ business travel, wanna go.)
[14] Stuart (T9 dreamer)
[15] Ross :wink:

Spectating:
[1] Matthew
[2] Chris (Abbott 900) - (Although if I can be bothered to fix the inner drivers by then, I may consider the dyno)
[3]
[4]

Pub lunch afterwards
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain
[4] Simon
[5] Matthew
[6] Sam
[7] Rob S.
[8] Amir
[9] Paco (obviously)
[10] Tina
[11] Oz
[12] boxman ( ohh go on then )
[13] Chris (Abbott 900)
[14] KevinC
[15] Stuart (T9 dreamer)
[16] Ross :cheesy:

Matthew
7th June 2004, 05:55 AM
This is gonna be expensive now fuel is like a million pounds a litre
Not to get into a debate on fuel prices here, but I found the localish Sainbury's have Super Unleaded for 82.9p/litre which seems quite reasonable in today's climate. In contrast, the local Shell station is selling Optimax for 88.9p/litre :o

Used up a tankful of the stuff this weekend, and it seems fine.

ejenner
13th June 2004, 07:40 PM
Well - the erm, Carlsson, won't be making it for this year (maybe next year) I suspect I will be popping down as I am London located and it should be a bit good seeing all the nice 900t's (and the other Saabs) ripping up the rollers. Would be getting a lift from a mate with his MG ZR 160 which might go on the dyno.. see you all there.


On the dyno:
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain [ragtopcav] but which car shall I bring ?
[4] Simon
[5] Sam (Nuts)
[6] Jezzadee
[7] Rob S. (to see what difference the Viggen IC has made)
[8] boxman (depending on date cant do soc weekend or one before)
[9] Amir (akamal) hopefully with 3" downpipe and a working clutch!
[10] Paco XJ6 Viggen...
[11] Tina (angua)
[12] Oz (see if i can pop my dyno cherry!)
[13] KevinC (possible conflict w/ business travel, wanna go.)
[14] Stuart (T9 dreamer)
[15] Ross
[16] Dave (MG ZR 160 - will see how it compares to the Saabs)

Spectating:
[1] Matthew
[2] Chris (Abbott 900) - (Although if I can be bothered to fix the inner drivers by then, I may consider the dyno)
[3] Emmett (project stage)
[4]

Pub lunch afterwards
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain
[4] Simon
[5] Matthew
[6] Sam
[7] Rob S.
[8] Amir
[9] Paco (obviously)
[10] Tina
[11] Oz
[12] boxman ( ohh go on then )
[13] Chris (Abbott 900)
[14] KevinC
[15] Stuart (T9 dreamer)
[16] Ross
[17] Emmett (briefly I would guess)

Alanb
16th June 2004, 04:32 PM
5th injector and MBC are installed on the car and I'm ready for the big day. I'm hoping for a Type-Pipe 320bhp.

Alanb

ZARS
16th June 2004, 07:20 PM
Oh well, might as well see if it's been worth spending all that cash on the JT exhaust system and Maptune Stage 3 ecu upgrade :-?

Zahid

On the dyno:
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain [ragtopcav] but which car shall I bring ?
[4] Simon
[5] Sam (Nuts)
[6] Jezzadee
[7] Rob S. (to see what difference the Viggen IC has made)
[8] boxman (depending on date cant do soc weekend or one before)
[9] Amir (akamal) hopefully with 3" downpipe and a working clutch!
[10] Paco XJ6 Viggen...
[11] Tina (angua)
[12] Oz (see if i can pop my dyno cherry!)
[13] KevinC (possible conflict w/ business travel, wanna go.)
[14] Stuart (T9 dreamer)
[15] Ross
[16] Dave (MG ZR 160 - will see how it compares to the Saabs)
[17] Zahid (ZARS)

Spectating:
[1] Matthew
[2] Chris (Abbott 900) - (Although if I can be bothered to fix the inner drivers by then, I may consider the dyno)
[3] Emmett (project stage)
[4]

Pub lunch afterwards
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain
[4] Simon
[5] Matthew
[6] Sam
[7] Rob S.
[8] Amir
[9] Paco (obviously)
[10] Tina
[11] Oz
[12] boxman ( ohh go on then )
[13] Chris (Abbott 900)
[14] KevinC
[15] Stuart (T9 dreamer)
[16] Ross
[17] Emmett (briefly I would guess)
[18] Zahid (ZARS)

boxman
17th June 2004, 06:42 AM
is there going to be enough time in one day :o

ragtopcav
17th June 2004, 09:07 AM
We need a minimum of 15 cars to ensure the price, last time we were there 18 cars went on the rollers, that went on until lunchtime.

greenphotos
17th June 2004, 09:43 AM
5th injector and MBC are installed on the car and I'm ready for the big day. I'm hoping for a Type-Pipe 320bhp.

Alanb

:o - I wish I was going now just to hear the cheer you get when you achieve it 8)

nutcase
20th June 2004, 06:22 PM
On the dyno:
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain [ragtopcav] but which car shall I bring ?
[4] Simon
[5] Sam (Nuts)
[6] Jezzadee
[7] Rob S. (to see what difference the Viggen IC has made)
[8] boxman (depending on date cant do soc weekend or one before)
[9] Amir (akamal) hopefully with 3" downpipe and a working clutch!
[10] Paco XJ6 Viggen...
[11] Tina (angua)
[12] Oz (see if i can pop my dyno cherry!)
[13] KevinC (possible conflict w/ business travel, wanna go.)
[14] Stuart (T9 dreamer)
[15] Ross
[16] Dave (MG ZR 160 - will see how it compares to the Saabs)
[17] Zahid (ZARS)
[18] Nutcase (ooh 'eck!) assuming the car's running ok! Otherwise I'll spectate :)

Spectating:
[1] Matthew
[2] Chris (Abbott 900) - (Although if I can be bothered to fix the inner drivers by then, I may consider the dyno)
[3] Emmett (project stage)
[4]

Pub lunch afterwards
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain
[4] Simon
[5] Matthew
[6] Sam
[7] Rob S.
[8] Amir
[9] Paco (obviously)
[10] Tina
[11] Oz
[12] boxman ( ohh go on then )
[13] Chris (Abbott 900)
[14] KevinC
[15] Stuart (T9 dreamer)
[16] Ross
[17] Emmett (briefly I would guess)
[18] Zahid (ZARS)
[19] Nutcase (yummy!)

Might also be bringing a friend (I raided his RR day today, so fair's fair :))

Alex
21st June 2004, 01:48 PM
On the dyno:
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain [ragtopcav] but which car shall I bring ?
[4] Simon
[5] Sam (Nuts)
[6] Jezzadee
[7] Rob S. (to see what difference the Viggen IC has made)
[8] boxman (depending on date cant do soc weekend or one before)
[9] Amir (akamal) hopefully with 3" downpipe and a working clutch!
[10] Paco XJ6 Viggen...
[11] Tina (angua)
[12] Oz (see if i can pop my dyno cherry!)
[13] KevinC (possible conflict w/ business travel, wanna go.)
[14] Stuart (T9 dreamer)
[15] Ross
[16] Dave (MG ZR 160 - will see how it compares to the Saabs)
[17] Zahid (ZARS)
[18] Nutcase (ooh 'eck!) assuming the car's running ok! Otherwise I'll spectate

Spectating:
[1] Matthew
[2] Chris (Abbott 900) - (Although if I can be bothered to fix the inner drivers by then, I may consider the dyno)
[3] Emmett (project stage)
[4] Alex (clutch is now slipping :oops: )

Pub lunch afterwards
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain
[4] Simon
[5] Matthew
[6] Sam
[7] Rob S.
[8] Amir
[9] Paco (obviously)
[10] Tina
[11] Oz
[12] boxman ( ohh go on then )
[13] Chris (Abbott 900)
[14] KevinC
[15] Stuart (T9 dreamer)
[16] Ross
[17] Emmett (briefly I would guess)
[18] Zahid (ZARS)
[19] Nutcase (yummy!)

KevBu
23rd June 2004, 05:30 PM
On the dyno:
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain [ragtopcav] but which car shall I bring ?
[4] Simon
[5] Sam (Nuts)
[6] Jezzadee
[7] Rob S. (to see what difference the Viggen IC has made)
[8] boxman (depending on date cant do soc weekend or one before)
[9] Amir (akamal) hopefully with 3" downpipe and a working clutch!
[10] Paco XJ6 Viggen...
[11] Tina (angua)
[12] Oz (see if i can pop my dyno cherry!)
[13] KevinC (possible conflict w/ business travel, wanna go.)
[14] Stuart (T9 dreamer)
[15] Ross
[16] Dave (MG ZR 160 - will see how it compares to the Saabs)
[17] Zahid (ZARS)
[18] Nutcase (ooh 'eck!) assuming the car's running ok! Otherwise I'll spectate

Spectating:
[1] Matthew
[2] Chris (Abbott 900) - (Although if I can be bothered to fix the inner drivers by then, I may consider the dyno)
[3] Emmett (project stage)
[4] Alex (clutch is now slipping :oops: )
[5] Kev Bu

Pub lunch afterwards
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain
[4] Simon
[5] Matthew
[6] Sam
[7] Rob S.
[8] Amir
[9] Paco (obviously)
[10] Tina
[11] Oz
[12] boxman ( ohh go on then )
[13] Chris (Abbott 900)
[14] KevinC
[15] Stuart (T9 dreamer)
[16] Ross
[17] Emmett (briefly I would guess)
[18] Zahid (ZARS)
[19] Nutcase (yummy!)

Jezzadee
27th June 2004, 03:48 PM
Sorry guys, I'm not going to be able to make it.

On the dyno:
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain [ragtopcav] but which car shall I bring ?
[4] Simon
[5] Sam (Nuts)
[6] Rob S. (to see what difference the Viggen IC has made)
[7] boxman (depending on date cant do soc weekend or one before)
[8] Amir (akamal) hopefully with 3" downpipe and a working clutch!
[9] Paco XJ6 Viggen...
[10] Tina (angua)
[11] Oz (see if i can pop my dyno cherry!)
[12] KevinC (possible conflict w/ business travel, wanna go.)
[13] Stuart (T9 dreamer)
[14] Ross
[15] Dave (MG ZR 160 - will see how it compares to the Saabs)
[16] Zahid (ZARS)
[17] Nutcase (ooh 'eck!) assuming the car's running ok! Otherwise I'll spectate

Spectating:
[1] Matthew
[2] Chris (Abbott 900) - (Although if I can be bothered to fix the inner drivers by then, I may consider the dyno)
[3] Emmett (project stage)
[4] Alex (clutch is now slipping icon_redface.gif )
[5] Kev Bu

Pub lunch afterwards
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain
[4] Simon
[5] Matthew
[6] Sam
[7] Rob S.
[8] Amir
[9] Paco (obviously)
[10] Tina
[11] Oz
[12] boxman ( ohh go on then )
[13] Chris (Abbott 900)
[14] KevinC
[15] Stuart (T9 dreamer)
[16] Ross
[17] Emmett (briefly I would guess)
[18] Zahid (ZARS)
[19] Nutcase (yummy!)

Big Nev
28th June 2004, 05:28 AM
I can't make it either.
i'll be driving around Anglesey on Friday 8) and on my way home,stopping off at Stafford for the TSSC National for the rest of the weekend.

shame,i'd be curious to see if any of my mods have actually de-tuned the Aero :o

boxman
1st July 2004, 07:07 AM
whats going on :o :o

it is with great disappiontment that i too will not be able to make it :cry: :cry: :cry: i was looking forward to seeing what the carlsson is capable of putting out but alass i have other commitments :roll:

boxman

nutcase
3rd July 2004, 05:43 AM
Bleh. Going to have to drop out I'm afraid :( Became an uncle yesterday, and we're going visiting the new arrival :D :D

On the dyno:
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain [ragtopcav] but which car shall I bring ?
[4] Simon
[5] Sam (Nuts)
[6] Rob S. (to see what difference the Viggen IC has made)
[7] boxman (depending on date cant do soc weekend or one before)
[8] Amir (akamal) hopefully with 3" downpipe and a working clutch!
[9] Paco XJ6 Viggen...
[10] Tina (angua)
[11] Oz (see if i can pop my dyno cherry!)
[12] KevinC (possible conflict w/ business travel, wanna go.)
[13] Stuart (T9 dreamer)
[14] Ross
[15] Dave (MG ZR 160 - will see how it compares to the Saabs)
[16] Zahid (ZARS)


Spectating:
[1] Matthew
[2] Chris (Abbott 900) - (Although if I can be bothered to fix the inner drivers by then, I may consider the dyno)
[3] Emmett (project stage)
[4] Alex (clutch is now slipping icon_redface.gif )
[5] Kev Bu

Pub lunch afterwards
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain
[4] Simon
[5] Matthew
[6] Sam
[7] Rob S.
[8] Amir
[9] Paco (obviously)
[10] Tina
[11] Oz
[12] boxman ( ohh go on then )
[13] Chris (Abbott 900)
[14] KevinC
[15] Stuart (T9 dreamer)
[16] Ross
[17] Emmett (briefly I would guess)
[18] Zahid (ZARS)

T9 dreamer
3rd July 2004, 09:45 PM
What's going on?
Last four posts are all people bailing out.
I'm only coming down from Scotland to see what you all look like.
If anyone else bails out I might not think it's worth the trip!

Shame on you! :nono;

T9

nutcase
4th July 2004, 01:20 AM
I'd love to be there! :(

jubileejim
4th July 2004, 04:57 AM
I reckon I'll be up as a spectator. It'll be nice to meet some fellow saabers

What time is it best to get there?

J

On the dyno:
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain [ragtopcav] but which car shall I bring ?
[4] Simon
[5] Sam (Nuts)
[6] Rob S. (to see what difference the Viggen IC has made)
[7] boxman (depending on date cant do soc weekend or one before)
[8] Amir (akamal) hopefully with 3" downpipe and a working clutch!
[9] Paco XJ6 Viggen...
[10] Tina (angua)
[11] Oz (see if i can pop my dyno cherry!)
[12] KevinC (possible conflict w/ business travel, wanna go.)
[13] Stuart (T9 dreamer)
[14] Ross
[15] Dave (MG ZR 160 - will see how it compares to the Saabs)
[16] Zahid (ZARS)


Spectating:
[1] Matthew
[2] Chris (Abbott 900) - (Although if I can be bothered to fix the inner drivers by then, I may consider the dyno)
[3] Emmett (project stage)
[4] Alex (clutch is now slipping icon_redface.gif )
[5] Kev Bu
[6] Jubileejim

Pub lunch afterwards
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain
[4] Simon
[5] Matthew
[6] Sam
[7] Rob S.
[8] Amir
[9] Paco (obviously)
[10] Tina
[11] Oz
[12] boxman ( ohh go on then )
[13] Chris (Abbott 900)
[14] KevinC
[15] Stuart (T9 dreamer)
[16] Ross
[17] Emmett (briefly I would guess)
[18] Zahid (ZARS)

Nuts
4th July 2004, 06:51 PM
Sorry chaps, I'm going to have to bail as well - it's the girlfriends graduation next w/e - I thought it was the w/e after...Not really sure how I c0cked that one up :oops: Maybe next time...:(

On the dyno:
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain [ragtopcav] but which car shall I bring ?
[4] Simon
[5] Rob S. (to see what difference the Viggen IC has made)
[6] boxman (depending on date cant do soc weekend or one before)
[7] Amir (akamal) hopefully with 3" downpipe and a working clutch!
[8] Paco XJ6 Viggen...
[9] Tina (angua)
[10] Oz (see if i can pop my dyno cherry!)
[11] KevinC (possible conflict w/ business travel, wanna go.)
[12] Stuart (T9 dreamer)
[13] Ross
[14] Dave (MG ZR 160 - will see how it compares to the Saabs)
[15] Zahid (ZARS)


Spectating:
[1] Matthew
[2] Chris (Abbott 900) - (Although if I can be bothered to fix the inner drivers by then, I may consider the dyno)
[3] Emmett (project stage)
[4] Alex (clutch is now slipping icon_redface.gif )
[5] Kev Bu
[6] Jubileejim

Pub lunch afterwards
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain
[4] Simon
[5] Matthew
[6] Rob S.
[7] Amir
[8] Paco (obviously)
[9] Tina
[10] Oz
[11] boxman ( ohh go on then )
[12] Chris (Abbott 900)
[13] KevinC
[14] Stuart (T9 dreamer)
[15] Ross
[16] Emmett (briefly I would guess)
[17] Zahid (ZARS)[/quote]

SIAMBLUE
5th July 2004, 02:38 PM
Hi New here,Don't have a Saab but always admired the old 9000 in the 80s,I have a Swedish car,and was wondering how are the dynos done?Are they dynoed going up the speed and coming back down and taking a measurement that way,or is it typically just all the way up?
Reason i ask is i wouldn't mind coming along,but want my car dynoed properly if you know what i mean,

later Gary.

Matthew
5th July 2004, 05:54 PM
Power and torque figures are gained from WOT in 4th (?) gear. When the rev limiter is hit, the clutch is dipped and the roll-down test starts to measure drivetrain losses. Combining these two figures gives a flywheel power.

Power Engineering have measured 176BHP with a totally stock T16S, so you know their dyno's accurate (stock is 175BHP).

I have always been impressed with the way that PE take care of the cars. They won't run a car on the dyno if there's the risk of damage.

Dave B
5th July 2004, 06:10 PM
Might see you all down there guys, I have to wait till the day to find out if I can make it though.

Paco
6th July 2004, 07:00 AM
Another one bites the dust.... :cry:

Sorry folks, but we should be moving house next week, a bit earlier than expected, and all spare time is to be devoted to packing our stuff up :(

I wasn't bringing a Saab anyway..... :oops:

Zahid, I've bumped you into my slot :wink:

On the dyno:
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain [ragtopcav] but which car shall I bring ?
[4] Simon
[5] Rob S. (to see what difference the Viggen IC has made)
[6] boxman (depending on date cant do soc weekend or one before)
[7] Amir (akamal) hopefully with 3" downpipe and a working clutch!
[8] Zahid (ZARS)
[9] Tina (angua)
[10] Oz (see if i can pop my dyno cherry!)
[11] KevinC (possible conflict w/ business travel, wanna go.)
[12] Stuart (T9 dreamer)
[13] Ross
[14] Dave (MG ZR 160 - will see how it compares to the Saabs)



Spectating:
[1] Matthew
[2] Chris (Abbott 900) - (Although if I can be bothered to fix the inner drivers by then, I may consider the dyno)
[3] Emmett (project stage)
[4] Alex (clutch is now slipping icon_redface.gif )
[5] Kev Bu
[6] Jubileejim

Pub lunch afterwards
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain
[4] Simon
[5] Matthew
[6] Rob S.
[7] Amir
[8] Zahid (ZARS)
[9] Tina
[10] Oz
[11] boxman ( ohh go on then )
[12] Chris (Abbott 900)
[13] KevinC
[14] Stuart (T9 dreamer)
[15] Ross
[16] Emmett (briefly I would guess)

Rob Sandey
6th July 2004, 07:15 AM
Ohh no big cat screaming :cry:

ragtopcav
6th July 2004, 07:38 AM
Ohh no big cat screaming :cry:Oh well, all these people that are going to miss out on the special guest :wink: .

boxman
6th July 2004, 08:28 AM
:( :( :(

dont say that i'm pi**ed off as it is that i can't make it :evil:

boxman

Paco
6th July 2004, 09:13 AM
I'm going to stay up late every night packing to try and buy me a morning "off", but it ain't likely :(

It has to be said the 100 cost of the day will come in handy at the moment too :oops: I've got to hire a truck :roll:

ZARS
8th July 2004, 08:48 AM
Another one bites the dust.... :cry:

Sorry folks, but we should be moving house next week, a bit earlier than expected, and all spare time is to be devoted to packing our stuff up :(

I wasn't bringing a Saab anyway..... :oops:

Zahid, I've bumped you into my slot :wink:

On the dyno:
[1] Paul
[2] Alan B
[3] Iain [ragtopcav] but which car shall I bring ?
[4] Simon
[5] Rob S. (to see what difference the Viggen IC has made)
[6] boxman (depending on date cant do soc weekend or one before)
[7] Amir (akamal) hopefully with 3" downpipe and a working clutch!
[8] Zahid (ZARS)
[9] Tina (angua)
[10] Oz (see if i can pop my dyno cherry!)
[11] KevinC (possible conflict w/ business travel, wanna go.)
[12] Stuart (T9 dreamer)
[13] Ross
[14] Dave (MG ZR 160 - will see how it compares to the Saabs)



Thanks mate, appreciate it. Sorry you can't make it though, would like to have seen the big cat. Maybe next time :D

jubileejim
9th July 2004, 04:43 AM
Anyone got an idea of what sort of time things will kick off?

Simon
9th July 2004, 04:49 AM
Starts at 9:00am, but I think they open at 8:00 or 8:30. Get there early so you don't miss the bacon butties :D

Rob Sandey
9th July 2004, 06:57 AM
I am leaving home at 4am so hopefully I'll get there for 9am and a bacon butty. 8)

Alanb
9th July 2004, 03:54 PM
I'm setting off from Bath at 7.30am for a 9am start.

Alanb

ragtopcav
9th July 2004, 05:43 PM
7.15am start here should see you guys at 9.00am.

Paul
9th July 2004, 05:45 PM
8.40 am start should see me there by 9am :cheesy:

Matthew
9th July 2004, 09:26 PM
Why am I still awake at 1:30am when I have to be up at 6am? :roll:

See you all you folks tomorrow! 8)

Angua
10th July 2004, 11:47 AM
Thank you Paul and Simon for organising a very interesting and surprising morning.
My results on the 9000cse were surprising, considering its a 2.0 lpt, peak power of 164bhp at 5100rpm and a whomping 195lb/ft torque at 3000rpm [and it hardly tails off until 5000rpm] OK so i got the wooden but only just :wink:

ragtopcav
10th July 2004, 11:54 AM
:cry: I'm down on power :cry: 189bhp, equally down on torque too, The dyno driver called up my old data and said "when did you last service it?" which was nearly a year ago "service and clean your air filter mate, it's down across the board :nono; " that'll teach me for being slack, oh well a good education in that respect.

Paul
10th July 2004, 12:35 PM
:( yes a lot of not very happy faces today, including me.

My result was 203 Bhp and 224lb/ft torque so a fair bit down on expected. The one good thing is though that despite not getting the expected results, at least I now know there is a problem and that I need to have base boost adjusted and possibly a new wastegate actuator fitted :(

Oh well, definitely 230 Bhp next time :cheesy:

David!
10th July 2004, 03:06 PM
As with my BSR ECU upgrade it seems the waste gate is the weak link. Just a little more tweaking for both of us! Not bad figures though :D .

David!

Alanb
10th July 2004, 04:10 PM
I was down on power as well - 295bhp compared with 311bhp last time - despite adding a new intercooler, fifth injector, water injection (50% methanol) and bumping the boost up 1 or so psi to about 23psi. It certainly feels significantly quicker than last time.

My feeling is that either the rollers were reading high the first time we ran our cars at PE or they were reading a bit low today. My evidence is that a number of cars recorded less than last time round. Furthermore, a stage 3 Maptun Aero 'only' made 268bhp today instead of the expected 280+bhp and a lot less than BillJ's Maptuned Aero. Chris Todd told lots of people that a weak wastegate might be to blame but surely this can't be true of so many cars? At least this couldn't be the problem with my car since I have a bl*ody great drum spring tensioning the wastegate actuator :lol:

The one good thing, from my point of view, is that according to Chris Todd, my fuelling is 'spot on' at 11.8:1, unlike the 14:1 of last time :oops: How did I manage to map the fuel delivery so accurately?

Step 1: Begin by drinking a rather large glass ot two or wine.
Step 2: In a half drunken state at 11pm begin to sift through bits of junk Saab parts.
Step 3: Sleep on the idea.
Step 4: Make up a fifth injector system using the junk Saab bits plus two self-tapping screws and a good dollop of silicone sealant.
Step 4: Fit the bits in a spare half an hour.
Step 5: Turn up the boost to taste (in my case until the boost guage reaches the 3 'O' clock position :cheesy: :nono;

Alanb

Abbott 900
10th July 2004, 04:28 PM
It was a good day to watch a few cars screaming for mercy on the rollers... I got everyones run on video, unfortunately I have no way of hosting the clips, so if people want a copy of their cars on the rollers, drop me a 'pm' and I can either email it or file transfer on msn or icq or something clever like that.. :cheesy:

Oh and I still have the clips in a raw format (which is a gig or so), so I'm quite happy to select the resolution to suit people, the better the res of the video, the bigger it will be...

Alanb
10th July 2004, 04:49 PM
Here is my power run. On comparing it with the previous run, power is very similar until about 3500 and then quite a large gap emerges (e.g. at 5000rpm there is a whopping 30bhp difference). Moreover, the first run had an almost completely flat torque curve from 3k - 5k whereas the run todaybegines to drop off after 4k. So, on reflection, maybe the rollers aren't at fault and maybe I need to check whether I am getting too much boost taper at >4000rpm.

Alanb

Marrk
10th July 2004, 05:02 PM
my fuelling is 'spot on' at 11.8:1, unlike the 14:1

Was it running lean last time? More power is generated when running lean but obviously more heat is generated and you get close to engine meltdown.

Alanb
10th July 2004, 05:04 PM
Mark,

Yes, very lean at 14:1 :o I take your point about leaness and power but 30bhp more at 5000rpm sounds a hell of a lot...
Alanb

Rob Sandey
10th July 2004, 05:11 PM
I set off at 4.15 am and got there for about 8.45 am. Bad day on the rollers for me and a big hole in my boost :o Down 60 bhp from the last dyno outing. I thought the car was down on power but I suppose the gradual decrease masked the size of it. Anyway thanks to Paul and the guys at PE for helping track the problem to the wastegate actuator. (Anybody know a good specialist in the SW where I can take may car to be fixed.)
I just missed the wooden spoon by 1 BHP although Anguas' (dunno why, Mrs Raggy doesn't look anything like a Werwolf) LPT kicked my cars behind in the torque stakes so I suppose I do get the wooden spoon after all. :(
Looking on the bright side, if there is one, it'll only take money to get it fixed :cry: :cry: :cry:

Despite my probs it was good to catch up with everyone again and indulge in some saab anoracking. :cheesy:

KevBu
10th July 2004, 05:13 PM
In retrospect, I should have put mine on the rollers as a datum. Non turbo, so no wastgate under suspicion, and no mods since last time, (except EON plugs) So i would have expected same plot as last time.
That would have dispelled any doubt over readings, sorry guys, I missed a trick there :(
Good job I saved for that 5.14 pint I had though :!

ZARS
10th July 2004, 06:28 PM
Furthermore, a stage 3 Maptun Aero 'only' made 268bhp today instead of the expected 280+bhp and a lot less than BillJ's Maptuned Aero.

I'll have to find out why I was lower than Maptune's figure of 283bhp. Any ideas guys :-?? The car certainly runs good and I don't think my wastegate is at fault as the boost holds nicely. However according to Chris there were a lot of dodgy wastegates there today :roll: He did detect slight misfiring at some point so I don't know if thats the problem. Have'nt serviced the car since I've had it (from Feb this year) so I think thats next on the agenda. I've also got a brand new DI cassette so I may put that on also.

Maybe just a coincidence but I was exactly the same difference lower than what the reading should have been with my old Abbott Chargecooled T16S at PE last time :-?

Still it was good to see everyone. Look forward to the next one :D A big thanks to Simon for letting me have a go in his lovely 95. Very impressed with the ride the Koni kit offers and a good looking car with the 17's. I may have to turn my attention to the 95 now, it looks so neglected next to the aero :cheesy:

Paul
10th July 2004, 07:55 PM
In retrospect, I should have put mine on the rollers as a datum. Non turbo, so no wastgate under suspicion, and no mods since last time, (except EON plugs) So i would have expected same plot as last time.
That would have dispelled any doubt over readings, sorry guys, I missed a trick there :(


The results for Angua's (almost standard) 9000 LPT were very good and would certainly appear to go some way towards showing that the RR was not at fault?

With Rob Sandey's help and the gauge provided by PE, I found my base boost is currently set at around 4 psi, (according to Bills 9000 site it should be between 5.5 & 6.5) and on further investigation this afternoon I found a couple of very very dodgy vacuum lines :oops: I'm pretty confident this is the reasons for my missing 30 odd bhp...

garry
10th July 2004, 08:13 PM
After the lads screaming at me in the c900 Mods forum to buy a calibrated boost gauge to check out my base boost I was taken back a bit when my newly fitted guage presented me with an extremely low base boost.
For a c900 the APC takes up the slack a bit so although you appear to boost high its still lacking the meat.
Now I know how the actuator/wastegate works I can understand how an old one could gradually reduce the power.... at the end of the day its just a spring that gets weak. you can adjust it to get back to normal but once it starts to go it will always be in need of adjustment until it reaches its stop.

Matthew
10th July 2004, 10:29 PM
I was down on power as well - 295bhp compared with 311bhp last time
Sounds to me like you need to wind up that MBC :cheesy:

Especially now you now the fuelling's good :cheesy:

Marrk
11th July 2004, 03:47 AM
Just some observations to help, when you were at Elvington, it was on the last session and as my turbo was smoking badly and the side walls of my tyres shot I took my mate out for a spin but took it slow on the corners letting everyone by and flat out on the straights ...I let you by going onto the back straight and when I realised it was you I floored it to get some sort of comparison....and there was nothing in it on acceleration and I'm definitely not pushing 300hp yet especially with the lack of boost and oil I was burning...but you had a huge flamethrower effect out of your exhaust on the overrun braking for the left hander!! :o
I didn't get a second chance to compare as that rolling chicane ruby let you by but must not have seen me on your bumper and cut back across....you were gone then....

Alanb
11th July 2004, 12:18 PM
Mark,

I was only running the standard Speedparts ECU then (no MBC and no fifth injector) and in the afternoon session it was running on base boost (set to 15psi :cheesy: ) most of the time. The difference between the 280bhp it should have been making then and what it makes now feels huge to me...

Alanb

Rob Sandey
11th July 2004, 01:35 PM
I overheard ther guys at PE yesterday talking about 200 BHP cars, saying that why spend 10K plus to get over 200 BHP when all you have to do is buy an old Saab. Made me smile no end, or it would have done if my car was anywhere near 200BHP. :roll:

garry
11th July 2004, 03:43 PM
When I bought my 'old' c900 it was pushing well over 200 bhp but without APC protection.... With all the additional mod's I have done and reconnecting the modded APC protection I am most certainly at a conservative 200bhp ... don't have a dyno to prove it though hence the conservative estimate... The only point I try to reinforce here is the ease at which a budget T16 can be made to hit 200bhp (as Matthew pointed out a T16 can reach 300bhp with comparitive ease in the post that was above this one).... simply turning up the APC with a screwdriver and replacing one 2 pence resister can get you close to 200bhp with an engine in top shape.
220/230 may cost you close to 300/500 to achieve, over that and the bang for buck goes up.

Here is my slightly modded T16S (http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/design_jon/SAAB/saab_t16_0-100.zip) Total cost (including price of car) under 2K

ragtopcav
11th July 2004, 09:21 PM
When I bought my 'old' c900 it was pushing well over 200 bhp but without APC protection.... With all the additional mod's I have done and reconnecting the modded APC protection I am most certainly at a conservative 200bhp ... don't have a dyno to prove it though hence the conservative estimateInstead of talking the talk, walk the walk and get the car on a dyno, most of us learned loads from that weekend, not just from our own car but from the others, from a houshold point of view the V6 was little dissapointing [fair play to the dyno engineer, he looked at the readout and knew the car was due a service! he was right too, 1 year in September] on the other hand the 9000lpt was up with little more than an intercooler and foam filter added [it was serviced 6 weeks ago too]. It [dyno testing] is an almost invaluable addition to any tuning, especially where a turbo is involved as a small ommission or error could cause a catostrophic failure of the engine, even with minor tweeks.
Then when your tuned and dyno verified its OK put it on the track 8) and see if you can drive good enough to get actual pace from your car.

garry
11th July 2004, 09:30 PM
Nope. Im not the competitive sort and I don't intend to sell my car on in the near furture. just joining in backing up comments about the c900. My car has been downtuned for traction and to save the gearbox/engine. It has been in many states of tune. I know im safe in the knowledge full engine protection is still intact and it is tuned below its limits. lag has been induced as a basic form of traction control.
Hey...lets say my car is 175bhp.... im still happy.

ragtopcav
11th July 2004, 09:53 PM
Nope. Im not the competitive sort and I don't intend to sell my car on in the near furture. just joining in backing up comments about the c900. My car has been downtuned for traction and to save the gearbox/engine. It has been in many states of tune. I know im safe in the knowledge full engine protection is still intact and it is tuned below its limits. lag has been induced as a basic form of traction control.
Hey...lets say my car is 175bhp.... im still happy.You've missed my point mate, thankfully it looks like most guys have little more than minor leaks and base boost errors with there cars, hopefully Rob Sandey's car only needs a new wastegate and nothing more costly, but for example Amir's c900vert put out a useful 195bhp with a collosal peak torque but the torque peak was also a spike, why? dunno, he'll have to do some work and find out but it exposed a problem that requires rectification. It is foolish [imho] to assume the vehicle is safe because you've only got a few mods without verifying on a dyno with the ear and knowledge of the engineer to tell you whats what.

Competitive? if you try and race on a track day you'll be black flagged, get off the track you're not welcome here! it's all about skill and a bit of fun, far safer than driving on the road and trust me, you'll hit your limit before you reach the vehicles limit, or perhaps I'm lucky and use a platform that I know is sound and can take it :cheesy: . Put it another way, you'll never know until you suck it and see.

garry
11th July 2004, 10:22 PM
Well, my car has not had the engineer touch.. but I do run it past a local mechanic for a check up. he tunes his own rally cars, just armature stuff but he's been doing it for 20+ years now.
I dont have 'a few mods', I have 'quite a few mods' all working to produce less of a gain than they are capable of.. In this way doing the job with a wider safety margin. I feel safer getting less out of more than more out of less.

My car would be no good on a race track. I have the suspension and tyres set for a variety of road conditions not the track. and my APC still feeds in the boost softly in a similar way to a stock APC, the only difference being it does not taper up/reach.75bar/taper back. it rises softly and linear to 1bar and holds. If I were racing I would ditch the APC and go direct with a MBC and additional injection/ignition. but... Lotus suggest that 200bhp is the limit for FWD as far as traction and cornering is concerned. Having driven my beasty in various states of tune over various conditions I have to agree., my wheels still spin in 3rd sometimes and torque steer is still scary at times.
A recent convoy and spin in the fabulous 2LT VX2200 which has a stock 200bhp proved to me that although both cars are quite similar in a straight line its the corners that count and never in a million years will my T16 corner at the same speeds as a true sports car.

c900T boost spike you talk of could be a bad calibration of the APC 'P' pot in conjunction with or alternatively a high base boost that the APC is struggling to reduce as the rise is too quick. easy sorted/softened out

Widdes site is very useful at tracking down APC/Actuator spike problems.

Alanb
12th July 2004, 05:48 AM
I have to agree with Raggy on this one. The RR is an extremely informative tool in car tuning. For example, the seat of the pants won't tell you whether there is a boost spike so you'd never investigate the problem in the first place. How can you tell what your A/F is like? One person was running exceptionally rich at the top end and didn't know it. How much power are you really producing? I thought I had a conservative 320bhp but now have to recognise that it's just 295bhp. Having two different runs to compare is even more informative. With what I have learnt I am now setting out on a completely different path to improving the car's performance than the path I was on last week.

Yes, I love tuning on the cheap but 'no' I do not think that I am that am able to pick up the potential problems/issues without a RR to help me.

Alanb

Matthew
12th July 2004, 06:04 AM
he tunes his own rally cars, just armature stuff
Armatures? They're electric rally cars then? :lol:

garry
12th July 2004, 07:19 AM
he tunes his own rally cars, just armature stuff
Armatures? They're electric rally cars then? :lol:

sort of ;)



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Im not saying that the car will never reach a RR... But with the nearest RR over 100 miles away its not going to happen this year. I have A/F safety gauge on the lambada just to be sure.
Main point is the ease at which 200bhp can be achieved with an old cheap c900t.

Alanb
12th July 2004, 09:05 AM
Yep, 200 bhp is quite easily and cheaply reachable in a C900. However, fuelling is still critical (I should know :cheesy: :nono; ) and an A/F meter will only tell you whether you are above or below 14:1. At, say, 13.5:1 it will still say 'full rich' but you may be in the middle of metling you pistons :o As has been well documented on Saabnet, better flowing intercoolers can chamge a/f ratios significantly

Alanb

nutcase
12th July 2004, 10:00 AM
I really want to put the 99 on rollers, but wasn't even in the country in the end for this one :( Looks like I missed out on a very interesting day!

ragtopcav
12th July 2004, 08:55 PM
Here you go guys, the 900 doing over 125mph and going nowhere