Anybody out there have a BSR PPC tuned Linear, I am really thinking about this upgrade but would love some feed back, plus I have been hearing rumors that the Linear actually has close to 195bhp and that SAAB understated the power to keep the price down in certian markets. If this is true the $950 for the PPC seems like a waste if it only delivers 9 more hp. Any words of wisdom for me?

Jmcorsi1172 has done his Linear. The only one I believe.

http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=25232

I don't think the 2.0t have more than 175 hp. I just had mine dynoed in readiness for the BSR PPC. The dyno showed it had 145 bhp at the wheels.

http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=26136

A manual FWD would on average have a 15% drive train loss (maybe even less). My wheel dyno would support that. I will order the BSR soon and put it on and then re-dyno again. Hopefully I will have some comparison to post in about 3-4 weeks. I got to import it from halfway around the world!

Jmcorsi1172 has done his Linear. The only one I believe.

http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=25232

I don't think the 2.0t have more than 175 hp. I just had mine dynoed in readiness for the BSR PPC. The dyno showed it had 145 bhp at the wheels.

http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=26136

A manual FWD would on average have a 15% drive train loss (maybe even less). My wheel dyno would support that. I will order the BSR soon and put it on and then re-dyno again. Hopefully I will have some comparison to post in about 3-4 weeks. I got to import it from halfway around the world!Hey thanks for the link and the info let me know how you like it when it's done.

I moved this inot the Tuning Forum, but left a bookmark...

READ MY MOST RECENT POSTING BEFORE ORDERING. What seemed to be perfect may not be!

ISSUE IS NOT WITH THE PPC, GAS TANK WAS EMPTY. GAS GAUGE PROBLEM. GO AHEAD AND ORDER AND ENJOY THE NEW PERFORMANCE!

ISSUE IS NOT WITH THE PPC, GAS TANK WAS EMPTY. GAS GAUGE PROBLEM. GO AHEAD AND ORDER AND ENJOY THE NEW PERFORMANCE!Thanks for watchin out for me. I am going to get thee BSR PPC or have Nordic tune it I am really torn between the two.Anybody have any suggestions?

Thanks for watchin out for me. I am going to get thee BSR PPC or have Nordic tune it I am really torn between the two.Anybody have any suggestions?

A Nordic tunning is permanent, meaning that if you ever wanted to go back to the stock settings, you would have to send the ECU back to them. With BSR, it takes only a matter of minutes to go back to the original factory settings. Also, I believe Nordic was the ones saying the engine was not durable enough to do tuning on, so the BSR should get you more power.

I got some information that Hirsh will be coming out with a new upgrade package for the 9-3 SS soon. I cannot reveal the source but I think it is quite reliable :). Has anyone heard anything similar, just to satisfy my own curiosity?

Thats cool for anyone who has it available, but it is not avavilable in the US. Its nice because it is protected under warranty, but will definitely not be as much of a gain as the BSR.

Thats cool for anyone who has it available, but it is not avavilable in the US. Its nice because it is protected under warranty, but will definitely not be as much of a gain as the BSR.It will definitely cost an arm and a leg too.

Hirsch tuning is not protected under waranty other than related to 9-5. Saab does not take any responsability for Hirsch parts related to the SS.

Hirsch tuning is not protected under waranty other than related to 9-5. Saab does not take any responsability for Hirsch parts related to the SS.Hirsch covers their stuff on the 9-5 and Saab covers all their stuff on the 9-5. I doubt Saab will come to the party if Hirsch stuff harms Saab stuff (and vice versa). Saab warranty DOES NOT cover Hirsch performance upgrades. It really is no different to putting BSR PPC on.

Warranty info
http://www.saab-performance.com/GB_en/5_0_offer.html

The Hirsch Stage upgrade for the 9-5 (150hp - 210 hp) is 1438 GBP! :o , 3 x the price of the BSR PPC for the 1.8t which has similar gains. The 9-5 Stage 1 Hirsch is a ECU exchange + airfilter.

All approved by Saab, but who said you needed Saab's approval. Saab won't cover the cost of a stuffed turbo if they can pin it on the Hirsch upgrade. Thats why the warranty info above clearly defines who is responsible for what.

I vote for the BSR PPC. Although many ECU upgrades are "stealth", claim to be undetectable, you just need to take the car for a drive to notice the difference. I like I am less likely to have warranty issues with the PPC. As long as the battery is fully charged, you always load back the original settings. Of course I own the PPC and am more than pleased with the results.

ISSUE IS NOT WITH THE PPC, GAS TANK WAS EMPTY. GAS GAUGE PROBLEM. GO AHEAD AND ORDER AND ENJOY THE NEW PERFORMANCE!Normally I would be ROFLMOA, but I'm so relieved. :D

ISSUE IS NOT WITH THE PPC, GAS TANK WAS EMPTY. GAS GAUGE PROBLEM. GO AHEAD AND ORDER AND ENJOY THE NEW PERFORMANCE!Normally I would be ROFLMOA, but I'm so relieved. :DThe Hirsch thing sounds pretty cool, but it will definitely cost to much money. If you go onto Wigwams(Nordic US) site they have a package for the Linear which will give you 220hp and another package that will give you 235hp, the first one is $2200 and the second is $3100.So it seems they are willing and able to tune the SS.

The Hirsch thing sounds pretty cool, but it will definitely cost to much money. If you go onto Wigwams(Nordic US) site they have a package for the Linear which will give you 220hp and another package that will give you 235hp, the first one is $2200 and the second is $3100.So it seems they are willing and able to tune the SS.I believe they are quotes for the old 9-3. It says 2.0t but they have just adopted the SS terminology and applied it to the old 9-3.

The Hirsch thing sounds pretty cool, but it will definitely cost to much money. If you go onto Wigwams(Nordic US) site they have a package for the Linear which will give you 220hp and another package that will give you 235hp, the first one is $2200 and the second is $3100.So it seems they are willing and able to tune the SS.I believe they are quotes for the old 9-3. It says 2.0t but they have just adopted the SS terminology and applied it to the old 9-3.You know what I think you are right, that's pretty lame of them. Well I guess it is the BSR set-up for me. Thanks for catching that. Good on ya mate!

Jmcorsi1172 has done his Linear. The only one I believe.

http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=25232

I don't think the 2.0t have more than 175 hp. I just had mine dynoed in readiness for the BSR PPC. The dyno showed it had 145 bhp at the wheels.

http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=26136

A manual FWD would on average have a 15% drive train loss (maybe even less). My wheel dyno would support that. I will order the BSR soon and put it on and then re-dyno again. Hopefully I will have some comparison to post in about 3-4 weeks. I got to import it from halfway around the world!


I am waiting on your dyno results Saba. Have you done anything else, performance wise, to your car yet?

Jmcorsi1172 has done his Linear. The only one I believe.

http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=25232

I don't think the 2.0t have more than 175 hp. I just had mine dynoed in readiness for the BSR PPC. The dyno showed it had 145 bhp at the wheels.

http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=26136

A manual FWD would on average have a 15% drive train loss (maybe even less). My wheel dyno would support that. I will order the BSR soon and put it on and then re-dyno again. Hopefully I will have some comparison to post in about 3-4 weeks. I got to import it from halfway around the world!


I am waiting on your dyno results Saba. Have you done anything else, performance wise, to your car yet?I hope to get the BSR next week. I will drive around for a week to get the car "accustomed" to it and then put it back on the dyno ASAP. I have the JR filter. I'm tossing up between a custom 3" catback or 17" wheels. One or the other :(

I got some information that Hirsh will be coming out with a new upgrade package for the 9-3 SS soon. I cannot reveal the source but I think it is quite reliable :). Has anyone heard anything similar, just to satisfy my own curiosity?

Hi everyone,

Some introduction first:

I apologize for being so unorthodox to write here; the case is that previously I used to own two Saabs, however, currently I drive Opel Vectra GTS 2.0 Turbo. As many of you probably are aware, it basically has the same engine as Saab 9-3SS 2.0T with 175 hp and 265 Nm torque. There has been also some debate here regarding the origin of Saab's turbo engine in 9-3SS; to my almost absolute knowledge it is based on the GM's 2.2-litre construct (Ecotec), which has been modified by Saab's engineers. Opel has a 6-shift gearbox, 5-shift is not an option for turbo engine.

The motor upgrade is also in my plans, and for that purpose I've been following the discussion here under several threads that relate to the issue.

The good news is that BSR will officially ship out PPC for turbo Vectra in a couple of weeks. The upgrade procedure is probably identical to that of Saab's, and provides the equal increase both power and torque (204/310).

Hirsch is - as mentioned above - also testing a new solution for 2.0T for SS and also for Opel. This information comes from a recent conversation on the phone with a company reprisentative. However, he emphasized that for Opel it will take for 2-3 months, and at this point Hirsch gives no guarantee regarding how the final outcome will turn out. Preliminary specs are 210 hp and 330 Nm, though. Price would be "slighly" higher than for the present 195 hp and 310 Nm for Saab. What comes to type approval and warranty, there probably will be no such things for Opel. Given this, plus definitively higher price, and no option for de-activation of the upgrade, BSR's solution is more appealing choice for me.

While waiting BSR PPC shipping, I'd warmly appreciate if you guys having BSR's PPC in your Saab SS still care to share your experiences in this forum. Regarding the durability of the 2.0T, I have an impression that BSR has done extensive testing prior to releasing their product to the market. For 9-2SS Aero they get 247 hp/388 Nm. Did someone mention even 300 hp for 1.8t in a thread?

"Now Opel, but always Saab in my heart"