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: "Top mount" Holset w/m build


grkguy89
10th May 2011, 11:10 PM
Thought i would bring this over here too


i finally have everything ready to do the swap.. and ready to show everyone what the next step im taking is
i should be underway this week (that means my TD04 will be up for sale)
all i will need then is to wait for the tune and w/m kit
yay unnecessary amount of power!!

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/grkguy89/CIMG8302.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/grkguy89/CIMG8303.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/grkguy89/CIMG8306.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/grkguy89/CIMG8308.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/grkguy89/CIMG8304.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/grkguy89/CIMG8309.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/grkguy89/CIMG8305.jpg

Cm452
11th May 2011, 12:05 AM
Looks freakin sweet! What A/r are your running on the hot side, is it the .64 or .86? Looks like a smaller housing than I'm used to seeing on a 3076...
Best of luck and keep us posted!!!
-Cm

grkguy89
11th May 2011, 08:10 AM
it a .86
so a lil slower spooling just to make it a lil more drivable as a daily

grkguy89
12th May 2011, 01:19 PM
and its in!
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/grkguy89/DSC05086.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/grkguy89/DSC05087.jpg

KaMiKaZi_t0M
12th May 2011, 03:18 PM
Congrats man! From a boosted 2.3NA to a GT30 build, you do some great work. Now tune her and give use a cool video. You're on ECU project right? Theres already a tune for pretty much your setup in the library; I assume you have a Walbro 225...

grkguy89
12th May 2011, 05:56 PM
ya im a member on there... though i had JZW do the tune on this one... and its on the way!

LincolnW
12th May 2011, 06:28 PM
Ballin'! How much power are you looking to make? Stock block?

grkguy89
12th May 2011, 06:32 PM
we'll see the power output... should be in the ballpark of 400whp
forged pistons and uprated valve springs

Cm452
12th May 2011, 08:49 PM
Should be more than that....why'd you uprate the pistons? You do not have the turbo to blow 'em out! OE internals are wicked strong!
-Cm

grkguy89
12th May 2011, 11:14 PM
oh i know... but why not have the engine ready for the 500whp mark by only having to throw in a set of cams now ;)

Tap804
12th May 2011, 11:14 PM
drool.... :o

grkguy89
12th May 2011, 11:23 PM
drool.... :o
haha now i know how it feels for ppl to admire my build
ive always been the one to be admiring others

grkguy89
13th May 2011, 01:22 AM
Congrats man! From a boosted 2.3NA to a GT30 build, you do some great work.
the math shows over 330% hp increase from when it was stock

bogan
13th May 2011, 04:34 AM
Very nice, looks like quality
Is the 5 speed going to be able to handle it :o

Martin_9-5t
13th May 2011, 01:16 PM
How have you done the intake for the turbo?

When we did saabi900's GT3076r install that was the only issue.

grkguy89
13th May 2011, 02:23 PM
its an issue for me too. im just not ready to worry about yet :P

Martin_9-5t
13th May 2011, 04:28 PM
What A/R compressor housing does yours have?

Air con removed and a bit grinding.........

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l245/martin_9-5t/19072010597.jpg

grkguy89
13th May 2011, 04:49 PM
.86
so a lil slower spool and even less room than a .64

Martin_9-5t
13th May 2011, 04:52 PM
That's the exhuast side.

The intake side.......

grkguy89
13th May 2011, 04:57 PM
maybe if i read what you ask and not assume by picking out words from what you said

its a A/R 70 ?? i think... i can confirm next time im by my car (in the shop where it is being safely watched by the security cameras), for now i am on my way home

Martin_9-5t
13th May 2011, 05:17 PM
It'll be 70 or 50. We fitted a 70, tight squeeze.

grkguy89
14th May 2011, 02:38 PM
its a 70


ECU just came in the mail!!!
THANKS JOHN!
now i have to wait till tomorrow to start it cuz of a seminar going on in the shop

grkguy89
16th May 2011, 10:53 AM
i got a lil anxious this morning and started up my car before grabbing the camera

http://youtu.be/vpqumx0WuaQ

Tap804
16th May 2011, 05:27 PM
NICE! ;ol;

04_maine aero
16th May 2011, 10:31 PM
looking good, i love build threads;ol;

brutal_saab
17th May 2011, 07:42 AM
is your idle high or the gauge not working properly? looks sweet.

grkguy89
17th May 2011, 08:15 AM
i had the throttle held up high... i wasnt trying to let it idle

brutal_saab
17th May 2011, 08:17 AM
gotcha.

AZR Racing
17th May 2011, 12:24 PM
can i make a suggestion?

get a slim fan get rid of that hideous factory fan. and ull have 100times the room.

oh and how did u go about getting ahold of john ive emailed him few times on his site i need a flash for my hx35 and seimen 60lbers

grkguy89
17th May 2011, 12:51 PM
the slim fan is to come as soon as i get back from carlisle
i email him... and get responses usually the same day

mike saunders
17th May 2011, 12:55 PM
can i make a suggestion?

get a slim fan get rid of that hideous factory fan. and ull have 100times the room.

oh and how did u go about getting ahold of john ive emailed him few times on his site i need a flash for my hx35 and seimen 60lbers

The real squeeze is between the turbo intake elbow and the AC bracket. The front clearance doesn't really matter much.

AZR Racing
18th May 2011, 11:58 AM
i custom modified mine. chopped a majority off as when the hx35 gets mounted im going to have a 4inch intake pipe :D i thought about making a bracket with some square tube and a piece of plate steel

grkguy89
7th July 2011, 09:07 AM
custom downpipe with high flow cat
OBX 23.5" straight flow resonator
Vibrant straightflow muffler (1149)

YouTube -Saab Ng900 3" turbo back custom

doorcheese
7th July 2011, 10:05 AM
;ol; sweet

MR.SAAB
7th July 2011, 10:14 AM
let me buy your car please. thanks.;ol;

grkguy89
7th July 2011, 10:24 AM
let me buy your car please. thanks.;ol;
sure; cash, paypal, or check (must clear first)
whenever you're ready

MR.SAAB
7th July 2011, 10:39 AM
im actually going to be looking for a car in september. If i find one im going to sell mine to my dad. Keep in touch!

Tap804
7th July 2011, 11:20 AM
very nice. i think i may be going tranny hunting tommorow.;ol;

grkguy89
7th July 2011, 11:28 AM
very nice. i think i may be going tranny hunting tommorow.;ol;
that's something to be proud of ;)
lol just let me know if you find me a trans and how much
ill be out of the country till the end of the month (leaving monday)

grkguy89
8th July 2011, 10:57 AM
i did a lil vid of the drive to work and played around just a lil

YouTube - Saab Ng900 small drive

Martin_9-5t
8th July 2011, 12:20 PM
You'll have to get some 60-100 times and 70-120 times.

grkguy89
8th July 2011, 12:27 PM
once i get back from over seas at the end of the month and ill be able to get to things like that

the amazing thing is in the vid im not completely flooring it in third and its picking up pretty damn well

i cant wait to get back so i can finish the fine tuning and really open this pig up on the highway against some unsuspecting vette or posrche

grkguy89
4th August 2011, 11:19 PM
‪tunel shot with the saab and the "CKF" exhaust and gt30‬‏ - YouTube

grkguy89
5th August 2011, 10:39 AM
so i just picked up a set of '97 front strut assemblies
that way i can upgrade my brakes to ones from an Aero
only cost me $65 per side with calipers, nearly new rotors and new pads

pitman
5th August 2011, 02:58 PM
sounds great. take pics when u do brake upgrade

doorcheese
7th August 2011, 11:12 PM
;ol;



stock brakes must be a little scary

comtrang
7th August 2011, 11:48 PM
;ol;



stock breaks must be a little scary

Stock brakes definitely are scary o.O I hate being cheap.

grkguy89
7th August 2011, 11:53 PM
they work just fine unless i have to do some heavy braking

Stock brakes definitely are scary o.O I hate being cheap.
at least you already have a '97. all you need are the pads, carriers and rotors off an Aero/Viggen
i, on the other hand, had to buy the front struts

grkguy89
19th December 2011, 10:21 AM
ok havent updated this thread in a long while so here goes...
ill update on everything that has happened in the past few months

so this happened one fine afternoon in October
i was driving (in a spirited manner) to go get lunch with my cousin
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/grkguy89/IMG_0138.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/grkguy89/IMG_0139.jpg

then last month i pulled into my driveway, stopped and waited for the garage door to open, then tried to put the car back into gear i found out i had no gears period
selector rod that comes out of the trans came loose from the rest of the trans internals
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/grkguy89/IMG_0018.jpg
(there's a black UFO in this pic)
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/grkguy89/IMG_0019.jpg

i got one of my spare ng900 trans out of storage and i opened it up and made sure that same bolt was nice and tight and thread locked
put it back together and replaced 5th with a later 9-3 5th

i can cruise at ~85mph and be right @ 3k rpms
vs my n/a trans that came out that was ~72mph @ 3k rpms

and just last week i picked this up because i couldnt let the deal pass me
dont really need it, but wanted it
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/grkguy89/IMG_0084187.jpg

Viggen225
19th December 2011, 01:58 PM
Horray for destroying parts with high horsepower!!!!!!!

Love the Prancing Moose as well, have that on both of the cars :-)

What kind of turbo is that, other than one the size of your laptop?

Pontius DIO
19th December 2011, 02:05 PM
Don't you just hate the brake lights when it's play time?

grkguy89
19th December 2011, 03:50 PM
Horray for destroying parts with high horsepower!!!!!!!

Love the Prancing Moose as well, have that on both of the cars :-)

What kind of turbo is that, other than one the size of your laptop?
a gt3076, same size as whats in my car

Viggen225
19th December 2011, 05:10 PM
a gt3076, same size as whats in my car


You planning on doing a turbo for cylinders 1 and 4 and a second turbo for cylinders 2 and 3 or are you planning on not changing your oil? ;)

grkguy89
19th December 2011, 06:23 PM
lol nothing wrong with the gt30 in my car... i do oil changes every 3k miles
i just got the turbo for literally dirt cheap, im after the antisurge housing and the bend welded to the end will help with fitment

would be pretty intense to have twin gt3076s

Viggen225
20th December 2011, 01:53 PM
lol nothing wrong with the gt30 in my car... i do oil changes every 3k miles
i just got the turbo for literally dirt cheap, im after the antisurge housing and the bend welded to the end will help with fitment

would be pretty intense to have twin gt3076s

Fitment is important when you mount it on the bottom, lol does leave you with plenty of room for one up top ;ol;

grkguy89
20th December 2011, 03:19 PM
lol to fit two gt30 would be insanity on a 4cyl

smut
20th December 2011, 04:03 PM
I guess you sold your TD04? DAVE

grkguy89
20th December 2011, 04:43 PM
I guess you sold your TD04? DAVE
nope.. its sitting in my toolbox

Paul8ex
22nd December 2011, 11:17 AM
what the specs on the td04 your selling ?

grkguy89
22nd December 2011, 12:00 PM
td04 15t 5cm^2
with a modded exhaust housing for a vband downpipe connection

Martin_9-5t
22nd December 2011, 02:34 PM
Did you get any 60-100 and 70-120 times yet ?

grkguy89
27th December 2011, 03:47 PM
sorry still no xx-xxx times

engine is coming out next week... gonna have the block o-ring to get the HG issue resolved

Tap804
27th December 2011, 09:08 PM
I could see Two TD04's over two GT30's
Td04 = fast
gt30 = nothing then rocket ship

grkguy89
28th December 2011, 09:50 PM
ya well at the moment it's just sitting at the shop, so no rocket ship

Viggen225
31st December 2011, 12:40 AM
I could see Two TD04's over two GT30's
Td04 = fast
gt30 = nothing then rocket ship

Td04 = out of breath @ 5k
GT30 = downshift because race car

grkguy89
31st December 2011, 01:09 AM
when does boost start kicking in for you?

downshift is right on the GT3076
but once you do you can take it all the way to the rev limit (7.5k) without loss of breath

well im my case it blows a lil more than the headgasket can handle

Viggen225
31st December 2011, 12:31 PM
when does boost start kicking in for you?

downshift is right on the GT3076
but once you do you can take it all the way to the rev limit (7.5k) without loss of breath

well im my case it blows a lil more than the headgasket can handle

With my 9k aero cams and the GT3071 it starts building right about 3k and is in the red by 3700. My rev limit is set at 7k and my power drops off a little bit after 6700.

The GTX should build boost a littler earlier and carry it past 7k with the 9k aero cams. Nick is truning the tq down (currently @ 441 to the wheels) so I can have traction in 3rd gear too.

grkguy89
19th January 2012, 12:18 AM
since the car is on downtime with no engine in it
got around to doing this
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/grkguy89/IMG_0116260.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/grkguy89/IMG_0117261.jpg

griffin dai
19th January 2012, 12:27 AM
Are you running T5 cams on this mate?

grkguy89
19th January 2012, 12:29 AM
yes still on the stock T5 cams.... not enough funds for the big Enem cams

griffin dai
19th January 2012, 12:35 AM
Yeah I fancy some bigger cams next...wouldn't mind trying some 264 or 268's out! I've got the Abbott Racing stage 1 cams fitted atm which are 243 so nothing mad, just trying to gauge how much later these spool and how much extra I get up the top end compared to T5 cams. Had them fitted back with the TD04 which was pointless back then! Seem to work nicely with my 3076 though. I'm hoping the new tubular will shave a few hundred rpm off the spool up but I've got a feeling its gonna go the other way and give more up top :confused:

grkguy89
20th January 2012, 08:58 PM
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/grkguy89/IMG_0122277.jpg

tkjr5000
20th January 2012, 09:43 PM
Looks good, I've been debating whether to do this or not. I think I'm going to start with the e=codes and see where those takes me.
Which ones are you using?

losacker
20th January 2012, 10:02 PM
ever think about taking it out to Bonneville one day and seeing what it will run? our cars have awesome top speeds stock i could only imagine with a gt30. id like to get mine out there one day when its built to my liking lol. you do awesome work.

grkguy89
21st January 2012, 08:08 AM
in a vert? ill deff pass on that idea

if i had a 3dr with a full cage, harness, seats, suspension... then i might consider it

tkjr5000
21st January 2012, 09:47 AM
in a vert? ill deff pass on that idea

if i had a 3dr with a full cage, harness, seats, suspension... then i might consider it

The folks at Bonneville wouldn't consider it unless you had all that stuff.

losacker
22nd January 2012, 12:39 AM
lol i didnt realize it was a very. that was my fault. i have a 3-dr coupe.

bogan
22nd January 2012, 04:19 AM
I like your headlights.

I'd like to do that to mine one-day.

condaddy
23rd January 2012, 10:11 AM
howd you do that to ur head lights it's looks sweet, do you have a link for it, or could you just tell me how you did it?

grkguy89
23rd January 2012, 10:22 AM
http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=189794&highlight=cutting

condaddy
23rd January 2012, 12:26 PM
[QUOTE=grkguy89;2131891][url]

thank you

saabkid37
23rd January 2012, 01:49 PM
http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=189794&highlight=cutting

since your a mod...you should sticky that here and tsl. im tired of having to search for it to show to people.

grkguy89
23rd January 2012, 02:36 PM
since your a mod...you should sticky that here and tsl. im tired of having to search for it to show to people.
done!!

grkguy89
2nd February 2012, 03:49 PM
a little teaser since i got a couple of tires

http://www.saablink.net/forum/attachments/customizing-your-ng900-old-9-3/8550d1328211773-img_0131303-jpg

grkguy89
2nd March 2012, 04:41 PM
update!

got everything back from the machine shop finally!

I had everything balanced out on the engine.
Crank, pistons, crank pulley, and flywheel were very good to begin with

The rods on the other hand, were horrible
15gram difference between the lightest and heaviest rod!!!!!

here are some pics:

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/grkguy89/CIMG8416.jpg

O-ring groove on the block
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/grkguy89/CIMG8417.jpg

91mm pistons from Wossner
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/grkguy89/CIMG8415.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/grkguy89/CIMG8413.jpg

and a pic of the crank next to the pistons
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/grkguy89/CIMG8412.jpg

bogan
2nd March 2012, 04:45 PM
Looks good brah,

She should hold together this time.

Pontius DIO
2nd March 2012, 07:47 PM
Interesting how they o-ringed each bore as opposed to the entire block. I'm assuming the head has matching grooves? You should be able to throw all kinds of wild boost at her ;ol;

BobSaabit
2nd March 2012, 11:07 PM
update!

got everything back from the machine shop finally!

I had everything balanced out on the engine.
Crank, pistons, crank pulley, and flywheel were very good to begin with

The rods on the other hand, were horrible
15gram difference between the lightest and heaviest rod!!!!!

here are some pics:
...


Unfortunately there's no emoticon here for "drool".

smut
3rd March 2012, 06:43 AM
WHat bearings are you using also what head gasket? LOOKIN GOOD DAVE

grkguy89
3rd March 2012, 08:01 AM
@ pontius:
no groove on the cylinder head

@ smut:
standard bearings and factory head gasket.

smut
3rd March 2012, 08:38 AM
What injecters are you using ? THANKS DAVE

Pontius DIO
3rd March 2012, 12:42 PM
Unfortunately there's no emoticon here for "drool".

Yeah, I 2nd that. We need some more emoticons added.

grkguy89
3rd March 2012, 03:09 PM
What injecters are you using ? THANKS DAVE
deka #60

smut
3rd March 2012, 03:12 PM
IM collecting all my parts for the build .

smut
3rd March 2012, 03:30 PM
I found seimens deka 60 lb. ev1 injecters ,are these the ones that are right for our cars .[T5]

griffin dai
3rd March 2012, 04:25 PM
What suspension/brakes mods have you done mate? I've got a few things coming this month so hopefully that'll make it better...is no where near as bad as expected but defo room for improvement!

I was going to go for BIG power this year with a Holset Super40 on my new vert but decided against it & now going for a more modest 350ish bhp with a Hybrid TD04! Have sold my 3076 onto a friend....so he'll be having some fun!! Was insanely fast above 100mph that thing!!!

grkguy89
6th March 2012, 09:07 PM
other than lowering it... havent done much else
brakes are on standby till i put the car back together (gonna do the 9-5 aero upgrade)

2.3LiterCivicBeater
6th March 2012, 09:38 PM
why would you use a stock head gasket

grkguy89
7th March 2012, 09:12 AM
it's the only thing that works and holds up... unless i spend some ridiculous money to have one custom made

2.3LiterCivicBeater
7th March 2012, 07:50 PM
it's the only thing that works and holds up... unless i spend some ridiculous money to have one custom made

didnt you blow the HG with this set up a few months ago. it would be a shame if it happened again. 100+whp per cylinder thats pretty stressful idk if it can hold up.

Looks like you got some ridiculous money into it already lol it must be pretty quick.

Double o-ring and copper HG next time ;ol;

grkguy89
7th March 2012, 08:14 PM
that's why i O-ringed the block
and cometic head gaskets are horrible on our Saabs

2.3LiterCivicBeater
7th March 2012, 08:22 PM
that's why i O-ringed the block
and cometic head gaskets are horrible on our Saabs

cometic??

grkguy89
7th March 2012, 08:31 PM
cometic = "high performance" head gaskets; usually copper

2.3LiterCivicBeater
7th March 2012, 09:00 PM
cometic seems to be MLS

and it looks like most people with their saabs that had bad luck with the copper didnt o ring.

so at least you have the block o ringed. hopefully stock can hold up for you

But i dont see how stock will be stronger than double o ring and copper (unless you butcher the install)

are you using head studs too

grkguy89
7th March 2012, 09:14 PM
yes i am using studs.
stock gasket with O-ringed block has shown to hold up to over 700hp

2.3LiterCivicBeater
7th March 2012, 09:30 PM
well than that should work. whats your target power when all said and done

copper gasket with double o ringed has showed to hold 7000hp..just sayin lol

grkguy89
7th March 2012, 09:34 PM
i meant on Saabs specifically.

shooting for over 400whp. we'll see

2.3LiterCivicBeater
7th March 2012, 09:48 PM
yes getting the power to the ground is always the fun part

even with fwd, do you have much flex with your vert

grkguy89
7th March 2012, 11:37 PM
vert = flex
6-point i made helps a good amount, but would really need the sellholm arms, lsd, and more bracing
im not tracking the car, so im not worried too much about it
its gonna be more of a dyno queen car than a race car

grkguy89
10th March 2012, 04:24 PM
engine is finally together
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/grkguy89/CIMG8420.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/grkguy89/CIMG8422.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/grkguy89/CIMG8423.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/grkguy89/CIMG8425.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/grkguy89/CIMG8427.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/grkguy89/CIMG8428.jpg

smut
10th March 2012, 04:46 PM
Looks great,whens it going in the car?

grkguy89
10th March 2012, 06:17 PM
hopefully it will be back in the car this week

shaner3721
10th March 2012, 10:09 PM
looks great!

when are you driving to wisconsin so I can see this beast?

bogan
11th March 2012, 12:12 AM
Have you worked out some way to run an air filter yet?

Pontius DIO
11th March 2012, 02:03 PM
I'm curious why you were having head gasket troubles? Can't these handle 420 crank HP with a basically stock long block? (long block meaning complete motor, not the style) Was it just an old HG? Or was there warping somewhere? Are you running a higher compression ratio?


Cometic is actually a good head gasket for high HP applications, but can't be used with your O-ring anyways. Wondering if guys that were having issues with them were installing wrong or had warping.

Vigge
11th March 2012, 02:35 PM
Can't these handle 420 crank HP with a basically stock long block? .
Newer popped a gasket out of my hobby car, so yes they can handle 700chp. Nothing special has been done to surfaces.

Pontius DIO
11th March 2012, 02:47 PM
Newer popped a gasket out of my hobby car, so yes they can handle 700chp. Nothing special has been done to surfaces.

Is everything forged from the factory on the T5 cars? Can you break down what alloys are used with the crank, pistons, and connecting rods?

Vigge
11th March 2012, 02:56 PM
Is everything forged from the factory on the T5 cars? Can you break down what alloys are used with the crank, pistons, and connecting rods?
Nothing is "forged" from the factory as far as I know.

grkguy89
14th March 2012, 12:05 AM
headache to the core....

Jaws
14th March 2012, 08:49 AM
So your post on Saablink....chin up, you'll get it right!!

Dr Kenneth Noisewater
15th March 2012, 06:13 AM
@grkguy

Where did you get your mesh screen filter for the compressor intake?

grkguy89
15th March 2012, 08:57 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-4-5-Screen-Filter-Paxton-Novi2000-turbo-camaro-/250690478332?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3a5e5120fc&vxp=mtr

but honestly you can go to lowes/homedepot and buy a small sheet of window screen and then go to the air duct section and get the rest of whats in the ebay listing

Dr Kenneth Noisewater
15th March 2012, 09:03 AM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-4-5-Screen-Filter-Paxton-Novi2000-turbo-camaro-/250690478332?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3a5e5120fc&vxp=mtr

but honestly you can go to lowes/homedepot and buy a small sheet of window screen and then go to the air duct section and get the rest of whats in the ebay listing

Thanks man. May well be trying this out.

Jaws
15th March 2012, 09:08 AM
So I'm curious, no air filter, just the mesh??

grkguy89
15th March 2012, 09:11 AM
i got a diff compressor housing so thing might be different this time around

grkguy89
10th May 2012, 12:00 PM
It's Alive!!!!!!!!

BobSaabit
10th May 2012, 02:44 PM
Congrats!

Hey grkguy... slightly OT, but it comes up in this thread... as a moderator, do you think that you might be able to impose on the site managers to change the date format from DD-MM-YYYY to DD-mmm-YYYY? It would still be international and it would be much easier on the brains of those in the USA.

Pontius DIO
13th May 2012, 12:20 PM
I understand the turbo is a tight fit, but why in the world would you risk running a mesh instead of an air filter? Aren't you worried about the valves? Seems like an awful expensive mistake.

byastremski
14th May 2012, 01:56 PM
I understand the turbo is a tight fit, but why in the world would you risk running a mesh instead of an air filter? Aren't you worried about the valves? Seems like an awful expensive mistake.

There are plenty of cars out there running compressor wheel faced forwad through a cutout in the front bumper without anything on it at all to protect from anything going in...

so to have it mounted the way he has his with a piece of mesh over it is still way safer than that...

grkguy89
14th May 2012, 02:38 PM
I understand the turbo is a tight fit, but why in the world would you risk running a mesh instead of an air filter? Aren't you worried about the valves? Seems like an awful expensive mistake.
Along with the mesh screen, I now have a couple of layers of cotton filter from an old cone filter I had no use for anymore

There are plenty of cars out there running compressor wheel faced forwad through a cutout in the front bumper without anything on it at all to protect from anything going in...

so to have it mounted the way he has his with a piece of mesh over it is still way safer than that...
I had/have the same thoughts.

Pontius DIO
14th May 2012, 11:44 PM
There are plenty of cars out there running compressor wheel faced forwad through a cutout in the front bumper without anything on it at all to protect from anything going in...

so to have it mounted the way he has his with a piece of mesh over it is still way safer than that...

Those cars that run front facing are race only and constantly rebuild the engine along with other stuff like the turbo at least once a season and probably see less mileage in an entire season than you or I do in a day. When was the last time you saw an NA car run no filter? All it takes is debris from the road and the impeller is junk, not to mention all the dirt that is sticking to a filter after 7k miles has now been passed through the engine, meaning potential damage to valves, piston rings and walls, etc. I know guys "do it", but I don't agree it's safe and shouldn't be described as such, ESPECIALLY in a daily driver.

saabkid37
15th May 2012, 01:23 AM
Those cars that run front facing are race only and constantly rebuild the engine along with other stuff like the turbo at least once a season and probably see less mileage in an entire season than you or I do in a day.

this looks like a total race car that gets a new engine once a week.

http://www.streettunedmotorsports.com/z/chris_mccarty/chris_mccarty.htm

byastremski
15th May 2012, 11:22 AM
this looks like a total race car that gets a new engine once a week.

http://www.streettunedmotorsports.com/z/chris_mccarty/chris_mccarty.htm


Agreed emery puts new motors in, but weekly no way... his shop is right in my area... his cars are fast as **** too... so is his girlfriends car... thats what endless resources will get you...

Tap804
15th May 2012, 11:30 PM
Agreed emery puts new motors in, but weekly no way... his shop is right in my area... his cars are fast as **** too... so is his girlfriends car... thats what endless resources will get you...

See the problem i have with that car is..... well i don't really have a problem.

Nice to see you got your car up and running. ;ol;

saabkid37
16th May 2012, 10:21 PM
Agreed emery puts new motors in, but weekly no way... his shop is right in my area... his cars are fast as **** too... so is his girlfriends car... thats what endless resources will get you...

thats not emery's car, thats a daily driven customer car. that being said, david buschur just posted a tear down video of the motor out of emery's "ricer" thats runs 8's with no filter forward facing, and it looks basically brand new.

grkguy89
26th June 2012, 09:18 AM
Just got the Enem 268* cams installed and running right (after fighting it for 4 days)
Running nice and smooth.
we'll see how the power delivery is later today

bogan
27th June 2012, 06:07 AM
What where you fighting with ?

grkguy89
27th June 2012, 08:27 AM
lining up the marks on these cams gives for a very rough idle/no idle
so the valve overlap needs to be adjusted between the two cams (timing them)

bogan
28th June 2012, 04:39 AM
How did you adjust them?

Did you install the GS Adjustable cam gear? http://www.genuinesaab.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=56_73&products_id=783.

grkguy89
28th June 2012, 03:51 PM
so i got my charge pipe back with the new flange on it.

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/grkguy89/DSC05164.jpg

here's how big the new BOV is on the charge pipe

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/grkguy89/DSC05165.jpg

smut
28th June 2012, 04:05 PM
You do some really good stuff! And I dont justmean with your car.DAVE<

bogan
29th June 2012, 08:36 AM
How did you adjust them?

Did you install the GS Adjustable cam gear? http://www.genuinesaab.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=56_73&products_id=783.
Don't mind me , I'm just quoting myself. :lol:.

Sooooo..........

grkguy89
29th June 2012, 09:43 AM
Don't mind me , I'm just quoting myself. :lol:.

Sooooo..........
oh ya sorry.
the alignment pins inside the cam sprocket were grinded out that way i could adjust the degreeing of the cams
i set the engine to true TDC, crack loose the cam sprockets, then adjust each cam using a dial indicator, and then i hold each cam while i tighten and lock the cam sprockets.
(pretty bland description sorry)

bogan
29th June 2012, 08:08 PM
oh ya sorry.
the alignment pins inside the cam sprocket were grinded out that way i could adjust the degreeing of the cams
i set the engine to true TDC, crack loose the cam sprockets, then adjust each cam using a dial indicator, and then i hold each cam while i tighten and lock the cam sprockets.
(pretty bland description sorry)
Not bland at all. That's what I was looking for.

Out of curiosity, Would the GS adjustable cam sprockets do the same thing?
Is that what they are for ?

Pontius DIO
30th June 2012, 12:54 AM
Not bland at all. That's what I was looking for.

Out of curiosity, Would the GS adjustable cam sprockets do the same thing?
Is that what they are for ?

That's what adjustable cam sprockets are for. Usually they'll have reference lines so you have some idea where it is in relation to where it was (to simplify the answer here), similar to when you could manually adjust timing on cars with a distributor and they had a marker and lines on the crank pulley so you'd know how many degrees of advance/retard you were at.

Probably not worth it for stock cams unless you are really anal about the way the engine was running. But it does allow you to adjust overlap and if done correctly can sometimes improve how the turbo spools. I suggest reading a book or two on how to degree a cam before even considering them as it's an easy way to destroy a motor if you don't know what you're doing. And cams that are too big can and will hurt low-end, lousy idle quality, big impact on emissions to the point it won't pass the sniffer test anymore.

When I did a 351W swap into a 4 cylinder Mustang body, I kept the cam small-ish and it'd actually pass our emissions test back in the late 90's with nothing but dual catalytic converters. (Actually both Mustangs I had were 4 bangers from the factory and had V8's stuck in them and I could get both to pass the e check as the cams were 6000 rpm or less) Had it had a midrange-high rpm cam it would of had issues.

bogan
30th June 2012, 01:34 AM
I'm thinking about throwing some cams at mine :cheesy:

Pontius DIO
30th June 2012, 02:52 AM
I'm thinking about throwing some cams at mine :cheesy:

You can call someone like Comp Cams (Google Summit Racing, look at the companies they have that sell cams and contact some of them as they're as reputable as you're gonna get) and over the phone they'll ask all the upgrades you have, curb weight, trans, gear ratio, operating RPM, etc. and they'll come up with duration, lobe separation, etc. that's inline with your goals. DEFINITELY go with custom grinds to get the most out of it and work the best with your turbo ;)

Personally, I'd find a cam that maximizes mid range with strong low end. The turbo will take over on the top end. If you go with top end and mid range, it might actually slow the car until your moving a bit. If I were you, I'd get that 4.45 gear set from GS before messing with the cams. That should help make the car noticeably faster.

I did 3.73's in a Mustang and it was friggin nice. Then I decided to go with 4.10's and it was night and day difference. So I'm guessing 4.45's over the stock 4.05? should make your car scoot a bit quicker :cheesy:

If/when I have a couple grand set aside to dedicate to my 9-3, it'll be one of the 1st things to get stuffed into a new trans :D

grkguy89
3rd July 2012, 09:48 AM
:D
having some company custom make you cams will exceed the price of the cams that are already available
throwing the 4.45 final drive in compromises the daily drivability
highway rpms go up and fuel economy goes down
thats why i moved away from my N/A trans because my car spends most of its time at speeds greater than 60mph

saabkid37
3rd July 2012, 11:36 AM
having some company custom make you cams will exceed the price of the cams that are already available
throwing the 4.45 final drive in compromises the daily drivability
highway rpms go up and fuel economy goes down
thats why i moved away from my N/A trans because my car spends most of its time at speeds greater than 60mph

increasing gearing being detrimental to mpg is actually a misnomer.

(this article has lost its pics/charts but you get the point)

Lets examine what really happens when you change the gearing.

The following table is the injector duty cycle for a stock GSR. Lets say you are cruising at 4000rpms and are in the fourth load column (from previous datalogging I am generally in the fourth column on a flat highway). Notice that the duty cycle here is 15%

Now lets change the gear ratio so that at the same vehicle speed and same stretch of road, the engine speed increases 1000rpms. If the only thing that changed was engine speed, then yes, fuel economy will suffer, injector duty cycle in the same column increases by 4%...However, when you change your gearing, it takes less throttle effort to maintain speed. So lets take a look at 5000rpms in the previous load column; 14%. Now the engine is using less fuel!

http://www.itrspec.com/PICS/Misc/NoVTECDutyCycle.jpg


From personal experience, my fuel economy increased when I switched from the 4.40 final drive, to the ATS 4.929, by roughly 20-25 miles per tank.

Common sense would confirm this as well. How would your fuel economy compare if you were going 30mph up a slight incline in 5th gear versus 3rd gear? Third gear would have drastically higher RPM's, but would require much less throttle input, and the result would be that 3rd gear will offer considerably better gas mileage.

Now there are exceptions to every rule and driving habits play the biggest role in fuel economy, but holding everything constant, simply changing gearing to a shorter gearset will only increase fuel efficiency. Conversely, there are limits to how much gearing is too much. I'm not saying you should cruise around at 8000rpms all day, but the relatively small change from gearing (~500-1000rpms, depending on how big of a change) will not detrimentally affect your gas mileage.

to get the best mileage apply the least amount of tq necessary to do the work, and make less work (at the throttle, and with less friction at lower rpm).

torque multiplication lessens work by the motor.

grkguy89
3rd July 2012, 11:49 AM
increasing gearing being detrimental to mpg is actually a misnomer.

(this article has lost its pics/charts but you get the point)

You're right.
But the gearing I have now, for the driving I do, has given me the best fuel economy...
With my current trans in 5th at 3k I'm cruising at 86mph
With my N/A trans in 5th at 3k i was cruising at somewhere between 70-72mph
I averaged 20mpg with the N/A trans vs 26mpg with my current trans
No difference in hardware (have not checked it with the current enem cams yet)

BobSaabit
3rd July 2012, 12:04 PM
+1 ^

If you pick a highway crusing speed, you will almost always be getting better MPG at the lowest RPM's you can find in 5th gear.

Whether or not certain gears give you better MPG overall probably depends on your complete driving mix. I'm thinking that if you head back towards the city that the higher gears might work out better.

saabkid37
3rd July 2012, 01:20 PM
You're right.
But the gearing I have now, for the driving I do, has given me the best fuel economy...
With my current trans in 5th at 3k I'm cruising at 86mph
With my N/A trans in 5th at 3k i was cruising at somewhere between 70-72mph
I averaged 20mpg with the N/A trans vs 26mpg with my current trans
No difference in hardware (have not checked it with the current enem cams yet)

are you going by the SID or calculating by hand?

grkguy89
3rd July 2012, 01:34 PM
are you going by the SID or calculating by hand?
lmao if i calculated by the SID i would be getting +75mpg
I do it by hand
I usually put 10gal of fuel once the light turns on
reset my trip
then shoot to get at least 250mi on my trip gauge (which I usually do get that or more)

saabkid37
3rd July 2012, 03:41 PM
Just checking lol.

You could also add timing at your cruise loads until the vac levels start to drop. I picked up about 1-1.5mpg on the evo with like 3 degrees.

comtrang
3rd July 2012, 04:34 PM
Just checking lol.

You could also add timing at your cruise loads until the vac levels start to drop. I picked up about 1-1.5mpg on the evo with like 3 degrees.

This. My timing is way up on that little block from something like 2100rpm to 2800rpm and between certain values of vacuum. I didn't measure the difference but I'm sure it contributed to my better gas mileage.

Still impressed by the mileage I got on the Focus I rented though :o Can't stop thinking about it.

Pontius DIO
7th July 2012, 12:46 AM
having some company custom make you cams will exceed the price of the cams that are already available
throwing the 4.45 final drive in compromises the daily drivability
highway rpms go up and fuel economy goes down
thats why i moved away from my N/A trans because my car spends most of its time at speeds greater than 60mph :confused:

Sorry, the comment was in response to Bogan wanting cams. Off the shelf cams can be nice if the car is close to the test engine used (or software used if that's how they do it) to come up with their values, but if you have the cash go custom as they'll match a given set up better, possibly improving MPG, better performance, stable idle, and decent drivability if you don't go hog wild; meaning street cams over race cams. With bigger turbos that are a little slower to spool up, with gearing and proper cams you can get into your power band quicker and have a mean car from a stop.

Also, when I was looking at a custom cam for my last Mustang, it wasn't that much more than the off the shelf ones. Granted you need 2 cams made up for our DOHC engine, but it can be worth it rather than getting cams you might not like ;ol;


EDIT @Grkguy What was difference between the 2 trans you have/had? Was it just the final ratio or the actual gearing of each gear that was different? Sometimes it's possible to run a steep (4.45 for example) final and have a wider 5th gear ratio to keep 5th at lower rpms but 1-4th numerically steeper to improve performance. Something to consider.

grkguy89
14th November 2012, 08:39 PM
just a small pic update of whats going on right now
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/grkguy89/IMG_0194.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/grkguy89/IMG_0199.jpg

gt17 vs. gt30
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/grkguy89/IMG_0197.jpg

gt17 vs. gt3076r (what just came out) vs. hx35 (what's going in)
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/grkguy89/IMG_0200.jpgwell here's the update on my car

grkguy89
14th November 2012, 08:41 PM
here's a quick mock-up shot
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/grkguy89/IMG_02021783.jpg

i got the new turbine housing so the turbo doesn't sit as high

losacker
15th November 2012, 09:53 AM
here's a quick mock-up shot
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/grkguy89/IMG_02021783.jpg

i got the new turbine housing so the turbo doesn't sit as high

does the hood even shut? :o

Jaws
15th November 2012, 09:56 AM
Yeah, that's gotta be the biggest turbo I've seen on a Saab, like a Guinness World Record or something :)

BobSaabit
15th November 2012, 10:15 AM
ur nuts!

I like it ;ol;

doorcheese
15th November 2012, 11:56 AM
ur nuts!

I like it ;ol;


You like his nuts?

Sluice Box Hero
15th November 2012, 03:33 PM
lets see the manifold.

BobSaabit
15th November 2012, 05:13 PM
You like his nuts?

I believe you need to use the Mel Brooks line for that:

"That man's nuts - grab 'em!"

grkguy89
15th November 2012, 07:02 PM
Yeah, that's gotta be the biggest turbo I've seen on a Saab, like a Guinness World Record or something :)
lol not quite the largest
there are a few more serious guys with larger turbos (JZW has a super HX40)
though i may have the largest top mount

lets see the manifold.
just a T3 9k manifold with an up-pipe
in due time i will get a pic up
im still in the building stage

doorcheese
15th November 2012, 08:34 PM
I believe you need to use the Mel Brooks line for that:

"That man's nuts - grab 'em!"

rofl :lol:

grkguy89
24th November 2012, 09:52 AM
here's a test fit with the up-pipe tacked up... it was a lil close to the head in this pic, so i changed the angle a lil and now it sits much nicer

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/grkguy89/IMG_02061889.jpg

now im in the process of bracing the turbo so the whole weight isnt being supported by just the up-pipe

losacker
24th November 2012, 10:33 AM
why a top mount? any benefits to it?

grkguy89
24th November 2012, 11:19 AM
need a special manifold to fit it underneath

plus the top mount looks cool

tomipee
24th November 2012, 12:22 PM
Thats looking sick!

Martin_9-5t
24th November 2012, 01:32 PM
whats the diameter of the tubing?

grkguy89
24th November 2012, 05:08 PM
whats the diameter of the tubing?
for the up-pipe?
2.5"

saabkid37
25th November 2012, 12:32 AM
meh, i think your not gonna love that manifold setup...that has the possibility to seriously botch the transient response and spool.

grkguy89
25th November 2012, 12:36 AM
see i was thinking the same at first, but with the new smaller turbine housing i think it will be fine

grkguy89
28th November 2012, 10:11 PM
update
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/grkguy89/DSC05187.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/grkguy89/DSC05188.jpg

whyyousaab
28th November 2012, 10:26 PM
damn thats nice man!!!!

mr rx-7 tt
30th November 2012, 12:51 AM
I love it! ;ol;

Pontius DIO
4th December 2012, 01:06 AM
You worried about the excess heat radiating into the valve cover? Couldn't that increase the likely hood of oil coking?

grkguy89
4th December 2012, 01:40 AM
dp is not wrapped and i have a turbo blanket on the way to help with keeping the heat in check

grkguy89
1st July 2013, 01:08 PM
This year's Carlisle adventure

http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv318/hakbarsaabzz/100_9614.jpg (http://s695.photobucket.com/user/hakbarsaabzz/media/100_9614.jpg.html)

http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv318/hakbarsaabzz/100_9615.jpg (http://s695.photobucket.com/user/hakbarsaabzz/media/100_9615.jpg.html)

http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv318/hakbarsaabzz/100_9618.jpg (http://s695.photobucket.com/user/hakbarsaabzz/media/100_9618.jpg.html)


https://imageshack.us/scaled/large/845/dsc0115hx.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photos/my-images/845/dsc0115hx.jpg/)

https://imageshack.us/scaled/large/198/dsc0116bd.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photos/my-images/198/dsc0116bd.jpg/)

http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l491/sallythesaab/DSC_0189_zps6d968837.jpg

BobSaabit
1st July 2013, 03:25 PM
You swapped tranny's on the road? http://www.saablink.net/forum/images/smilies/respect.gif

Jaws
1st July 2013, 03:35 PM
Um, yeah, that is not for the faint of heart!

mike saunders
1st July 2013, 03:41 PM
Christos earned his lifetime Man Badge for that...;ol;

grkguy89
1st July 2013, 03:56 PM
You swapped tranny's on the road? http://www.saablink.net/forum/images/smilies/respect.gif
no, broke down 50mi from the showfield
got a fellow saaber that towed his show vehicle to the show to help me retrieve it
Harvey's Autohaus brought me a trans
then i swapped it in the back corner of the Carlisle showfield to be out of sight
in a gravel parking lot

Um, yeah, that is not for the faint of heart!

Christos earned his lifetime Man Badge for that...;ol;
broke half a dozen sockets trying to get the subframe off

had to layt the trans on my chest while i crawled under the car then pressed it up and in
i can even count the number of transmissions ive taken out and put back in, but i know that this was the absolute first one that went in with the first try without wiggling or twisting or anything.

missed 80% of the show from working on this.

BobSaabit
1st July 2013, 06:42 PM
broke half a dozen sockets trying to get the subframe off

I've become a fan of replacing subframe bolts as a maintenance item when you buy a Saab, or every 70K miles. Then at least you can break them in a planned location :-)


had to layt the trans on my chest while i crawled under the car then pressed it up and in

More man points for that.

nutzy
1st July 2013, 09:56 PM
You don't look like you'd have any issues benching a trans into the 9-3;ol;

jakejm79
2nd July 2013, 01:28 AM
broke half a dozen sockets trying to get the subframe off

I like the Kobalt 1/2" driver impact sockets from lowes, seem a lot more durable than standard sockets, lifetime warranty and if you break it just bring it in to any lowes for a new one. Also available in the 16 and 18mm sizes that a lot of combo kits don't contain.

grkguy89
2nd July 2013, 01:33 AM
didn't have any of my impact sockets with me as I didn't think I would need them.
cracked my snapon socket and 5 crapsman that I bought at the show from the vendors area
then the snapoff rep said I used the socket on an impact
I laughed and flexed my bicep and said "yup, it's an impact alright" ;)

comtrang
2nd July 2013, 02:28 AM
had to layt the trans on my chest while i crawled under the car then pressed it up and in


That's what I did a few years ago when I went down to visit Drew in Houston. I drove 25 hours straight and JUST as I turn into his neighborhood, my throwout bearing takes a dump. Spent the whole 4 day weekend pulling the tranny on his driveway and waiting for parts, etc. Fail.

m-192
2nd July 2013, 08:48 PM
I was wandering where you were. I wanted to check out that set up. I'm gonna do a holset build as soon as I get all the parts haha. Main thing is mani. Gonna buy one of those ramhorn kits I think. But I can't weld looks like it'll get expensive :( can't wait till next year to see your setup. Hopefully mine will be done by then

grkguy89
3rd July 2013, 09:03 AM
hopefully by then I'll have made a custom twinscroll top mount mani.
on a side note


pulling out of the garage this morning my mom comes to say bye,
then frantically tells me to stop
.... Just to tell me that she loves the way the car turned out. She said the wheels looked dumb in orange when they weren't on the car
but look at home on the car

pa-saab-92
3rd July 2013, 12:42 PM
That's serious man points earned right there. I've had to bench an few trannys in before but never in a gravel parking lot during a car show lol.

grkguy89
3rd July 2013, 10:05 PM
i will say that a dry ng900/og9-3 trans weighs less than 90lbs

on to current projects
gauge pod ready to be wrapped
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g178/grkguy89/WP_20130703_001_zps900bf40f.jpg

condaddy
3rd July 2013, 10:36 PM
The auto feels like 150 lol

bogan
4th July 2013, 05:30 AM
Noice work on the gearbox change.... lolz.

I bet you couldn't believe you blew your box up.. wow

You must of been floggin it huh :lol:..

grkguy89
4th July 2013, 07:39 AM
I have been through quite a few boxes... This one was a fluke. Not sure what exactly when wrong with this one, other than the fact that my shifter locked up in neutral....
Harvey's autohaus has my old trans right now.
eventually Harvey will crack it open and see what broke. I know he's curious too.

griffin dai
4th July 2013, 08:42 AM
How do you find the hx35 compared to the 3076? Is it much more laggy or around the same? Must feel a lot quicker higher up ;ol;

grkguy89
4th July 2013, 09:31 AM
def more lag than the 3076, but much faster up top for sure ;)

griffin dai
4th July 2013, 09:39 AM
Nice shiny Super 40 next then ;)

I do miss my 76, was nice to have that Jekyll & Hyde thing going where its pretty docile off boost then just goes insane around 4k :lol:

I need to have a good think about this v6 and which way to go, ill wait and see how the guys get on with the big turbo swap on here ;ol;
Its quick now with the JZW map but all this sound deadening plus mdf/amps etc will take the edge off it a bit...