I know the 2011's have them standard but had anyone asked or found out about installing a remote start in a 2010? Perhaps the same 2011 unit can be installed and a 2011 remote programmed?
No comments about the merits of remote start necessary, thanks.
hi.why would you want remote start????
oh silly me! so it will warm up - or cool down -- and you have a nice cosy car to get into!
hmmmmm, there's a word for that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! love that car.cheers
A little off topic, but this is one of the things I don't like about the push-button start. With prior Saabs, I could just lean in and pop in the key (and the between seat location much more convenient than any others) and start it up without actually getting into the car... then do important stuff like clear the car of snow and ice while giving the seat heater and rear defrost time to do their magic. Now, because you need to press the brake to start the car, I must actually get into the car, start it, get out... Yeah, sounds trivial, but this also means I track snow into the car twice instead of once, and when it's frigid outside, every second in the cold counts...
I guess remote start would fix this (there, back on topic).
Would be nice to see something like webasto as option on 9-5. That would work better than remote start under hard winter weather conditions and protect engine from cold starts
I know the 2011's have them standard but had anyone asked or found out about installing a remote start in a 2010? Perhaps the same 2011 unit can be installed and a 2011 remote programmed?
No comments about the merits of remote start necessary, thanks.
Hi! I don't suppose anyone has anything new on this? I would like to get this for my '10 9-5 as well. Since I don't have a sunroof to let the air ventilate I'd like to at least get the remote start to crank up the A/C on hot days. This way I won't burn my baum on the hot seats after a long day at the office. It's too bad I can't at least open the windows with the remote like in my 9-3.
I tried a third party custom place who works on exotics for remote start and got nowhere. There's just a dearth of info out there and nobody to ask. I think it will take a skilled person who wants to figure it out on their vehicle to solve the problem.
My wife has the remote start on her 9-4x and proximity unlocking. It's very nice.
Like if someone would add the second reverse light and tell us how they did it...
UPDATE: I've owned my ng9-5 for about a month and my spare key just came in to the dealer.
The service guy was able to get remote start working for me for free. So i can confirm that all ng9-5 models are capable of remote start. Even though it originally did not have it enabled.
But the OP wanted it so he could warm up his/her car.
Not such a good move unless you want to prematurely wear out the engine.
Idling a car to warm it up is one of the absolutely worst things you can do for an engine.
A far better idea would be to have it plugged into 240v with a heater installed in the coolant system, like they do in very cold places.
I have one in my tractor.
Not such a good move unless you want to prematurely wear out the engine.
Idling a car to warm it up is one of the absolutely worst things you can do for an engine.
Not really an issue these days. In the old days, cold start enrichment watered down the oil with fuel. With Direct Injection, that's no longer an issue. Plus, oil lubricity is superior to oil from just 20 years ago.
You're correct, it's day and night versus the carb or even early batch fire EFI days. With the fuel atomized at such a high pressure (2,000+ psi), it ignites so much easier and way cleaner. At 10,000 miles, my oil life computer still registered 57% oil life left!! I changed it anyway since that is what Saab had recommended. For comparison, my 2012 Murano SV oil is pretty cooked by 7500 miles.
Sorry for the thread resurrection, but remote start is possible on these cars. The ISM has to be modified and a simple circuit needs to be built. Search the documents at www.the12volt.com. I uploaded the schematics there. Once the circuit is built, it's pretty straight forward. I did this with my 2009 9-3 Aero, and built a couple of these circuits for a couple audio shops over the U.S. I'd be willing to answer any questions if anyone's interested.
That is a worthy reason to resurrect this thread, certainly.
My concerns would be the differences in the 2010+ 9-5 vs. the 2009 9-3 (I actually had an '09 Aero, too). While they share basically the same engine, they have different control centers otherwise. Wouldn't there be a risk of breaking something?
Derekhood,
you haven't replied if you ordered a key for a Turbo4, not premium and it did have the remote start button on it or how did your dealer get it to work?
Hmmmm.... interesting. Curious to see where this one goes. If it's as easy as adding a circuit, a couple modules, and some wiring, I can't see too much difficulty in it.
Alex - hows the weather up there? Heard you guys had a brutal winter this year. Used to live in in WI back in the day - I certainly do not miss the winters .
It's actually pretty easy. The circuit is the hardest part (which overrides the ISM and Immobilizer), but it's plug-n-play for the most part. Still have to find ground and +12V, run your hood pin and siren, and hook up the door and trunk sensors.
The door sensors require a separate circuit since the door sensors report 4.1v when open and 7.4v when closed. Hooking up directly to these, even with diode isolation, will cause a false alarm when the BCM goes to sleep. The reason is because the BCM will shoot a signal through this wire every minute or so to check the integrity of the door sensors. When it does this, it spikes the voltage and the remote start detects a false reading. This can be solved by a simple LM339. The trunk also works this way. The hood pin, though, is completely different. I haven't figured out how that works yet.
If the car was not built with the Remote start option it cannot be added. Just buying a five button remote and adding it will not enable remote start unless it was already there and you had a wrong key to begin with!
Maybe (but who knows) it might work with some backyard hacking
but the official stance is NO, it cannot be added using the factory system.
But if you have a 2011 9-5 Turbo4 appears to have everything for remote start capability?? I just got a spare FOB with remote start button, the original didn't have it, and after reprogramming it the remote start button did something but not enough to start the car, I was hoping. ��
How do you propose to fool the multiple proximity sensors that monitor for the key fob to unlock the doors and or trunk when you approach the vehicle? Then what about all the interior sensors? There are multiple electronic challenges the key-less entry system must pass before the door latches even engage so you can use the handles (they aren't mechanically linked). I'm not saying you cant figure it out I'm saying there is a lot more too it than a transponder hidden in the console and fooling the door switch.
The lock/unlock would be controlled at the interior driver's switch. The drawback to this is, if you lock the car with the factory fob, it will 'lock out' the interior buttons - you'd have to unlock with the factory fob or laser-cut key to get the door unlocked.
You should be able to defeat the proximity sensors by wrapping the immobilizer box with a couple layers aluminum foil. Finish off with plastic wrap and it's ready for the oven. ;ol; I haven't tested this on a Saab, but it works with Kia's (I know they're wayy different than a Saab, but the concept of RF blocking is the same. It really depends on the frequency and strength of the signal). You could test it by wrapping a key, leave it on the driver's floor board and closing the door, keeping the second key away from the car. If the doors lock/unlock with the handle, add another layer of aluminum foil.
So far I've installed in 3 9-3s. I haven't run into one with prox sensors yet, so I'm not sure exactly what it would take to defeat it. I know the 9-5 is completely different and roadblocks will probably be discovered.
If I could find someone in my area with a 9-5 that is willing to give it a shot, I'd attempt the install for free if the owner gets the parts! :cheesy:
I dont think the aluminum foil trick will work with proximity sensors, you cant block one signal and not the other. Especially when the key immobilizer challenge is the weaker signal. So how do you filter that?
The challenge is to make the remote start work and keep all the other systems functional as well. I wouldn't trade remote start for key-less entry or exit. So there are many hurdles that have to be thought through before this is a reality.
I am not trying to argue the issue just point out the difficulties.
I dont think the aluminum foil trick will work with proximity sensors, you cant block one signal and not the other. Especially when the key immobilizer challenge is the weaker signal. So how do you filter that?
The challenge is to make the remote start work and keep all the other systems functional as well. I wouldn't trade remote start for key-less entry or exit. So there are many hurdles that have to be thought through before this is a reality.
Yes this vehicle has a push to start button. It also has key-less entry/exit so it knows when you walk up to it to unlock the doors and lock them as you walk away. Then it has another transponder challenge with the key/push to start. So you have content theft and vehicle theft to deal with.
Additionally the car is in a altered state when it is in remote start mode. The doors are still locked and the cars interior and exterior systems do not operate until you open the car with the remote, then the internal antennas pass the challenge and once you step on the brake and press the Start button it will operate normally.
Yes this vehicle has a push to start button. It also has key-less entry/exit so it knows when you walk up to it to unlock the doors and lock them as you walk away. Then it has another transponder challenge with the key/push to start. So you have content theft and vehicle theft to deal with.
Additionally the car is in a altered state when it is in remote start mode. The doors are still locked and the cars interior and exterior systems do not operate until you open the car with the remote, then the internal antennas pass the challenge and you step on the brake and press the Start button. The it will operate normally.
That makes sense! I was talking about the soft key like the 9-3 has - the one where it's still required to be inserted into an ignition cylinder.
Cars with Push-to-Start (PTS) require an active immobilizer to communicate with the BCM. The immobilizer emulates a copy of a key and sends it back to the BCM over data. It has to watch lots of other things over data as well. You'll never see a PTS vehicle with a passive immobilizer because of the proximity issue. A Saab with PTS will most likely never get a remote start unless DEI or iDataLink decide to make immobilizers for them. As far as doing something at home, you'd have to really know your stuff about the databus. And even then, it's more effort than most are willing to go through.
But I have seen some cars that do not have PTS, but do have the proximity locks, so this was my initial thought of what you were describing.
Yeah, I knew it wouldn't be for the faint of heart. It has to be a factory installed option or like you say it takes equipment not on the market to make it work.
Its possible to add remote start to cars that don`t have it. You first need to buy and program the fob with the remote start button. After that, you need to go to a GM dealer to reprogram your BCM for remote start.
Wait, really?!?! i spent a fair amount of time researching this back in 2011 to no avail.
Has anyone done this with a 2010? Where did you get your remote? What was your GM dealer that had the knowledge to take care of it? Did you specifically have them just program the remote and "clear all codes" and it worked or did you ask them specifically about making the remote start work?
You can get the remote on eeuroparts for about 45 dollars. After you get them, you can program the fob using the guide someone posted earlier (turn key 5 times, press start button) but you'll notice that remote start button does nothing. At this point, the final step is to go to a gm dealer and have them reprogram the BCM so the car knows it has remote start enabled. Hope this helps
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