Well, Speedparts has finally released their upgrade for 9-3SS. For example, "new" Aero throw out 247 hp and 388nm of torque! And it's just "cheap-tuning" without turbo or exhaust upgrade. Price in Russia USD1128. Will be available here after 10th of Jan.

And I also have dyno sheets on my PC. How can I post it here?

the only problem is no one is sure if the engine will be able to handle putting out that much hp

Here's what the site says:

Our development has shown that the new engine (B207E/L/R) is durable and suitable for upgrades. The upgrading of the ECU software is easy. The process is performed by the PPC unit and can be conducted from the driver's seat, the upgrade process taking approximately six minutes.
Your order can be placed via your local Speedparts dealer or directly with Speedparts Sweden if no local dealer is present. Following your order, your ECU must be sent to Speedparts or your Speedparts dealer for checking/verification.
The upgrade comprises your own ECU and a PPC unit. A sports air filter element can be added as an option (not included in the upgrade).
PPC software updates can be downloaded via a dedicated website thus guaranteeing that are always running the latest version of your software

http://www.speedparts.se/prod/newupgrade/pub/all_ss_intro.shtml

That's the BSR product.

ok that says you have to pull the computer and send it to them to be tested. if you do this it will void your warrenty, because saab will be able to tell that the computer has been disconnected.

Even if you did not have to pull the unit, such a mod will still void your warranty; it is just not quite so easy to get caught. But no one with a backbone would try and pull a cheat like that.

That is why I usually wait until after the warranty expires to do this sort of stuff, but to others who can afford it I say "Allriiight!". Hey, someones got to be first to give it some time in the real world. Bleeding edge, dude. And maybe Hirsch will get something similar approved by SAAB. Maybe. I bet the US won't get approval, though. Well, if it was easy everyone would do it, right? So I'll wait awhile and see what works best.

The people who bug me are the ones who whine about an OEM when they don't stand behind the consequences of modifications not approved by them. Or try to sneak it past them. What with that? That gets zero respect in my book.

I think the warranty horse has been drug into the arena and beaten to death on several occasions. If people don't understand it by now, they never will.

The drawback to waiting until after the warranty has expired to add on the goodies is two-fold.

Your car will have 40k+ miles on it before you begin adding stuff on. A lot of parts have already worn 1/3 to 1/2 way through their useful life. When you finally decide to start modding away at 50k miles, there's some things you may not want to do without at least a rebuild.

Finally, you'd be better off selling an unmodified car to trade up to the next model that already has the power goodies you're looking for. If you're going to spend the bucks anyway, why not get a new car instead of loading crud on the back of your mule?

I think this car is maybe good for a "chip"/ecu remap, but not much else. (i've got a feeling those words will come back to haunt me in a year or so! :) )

I agree, if we are talking about the sort who buys new cars all the time. My SAAB 9-3 is my first new car since 1986! In that time I have owned lotus, Alfa Romeo, Jensen Healy, Fiat, Ford Motorsports SVO, and Pontiac products. I am not alone in preferring classic and specialized cars. You get to choose among the most fun-to-drive cars ever made, you spend your depreciation money on go-fast goodies, and new cars are usually boring by comparison. With a few exceptions -- like my 9-3.

Last thing. An engine rebuild required at 40k for a buildup of only 35hp would indicate the SAAB engine was not a good candidate in the first place. I will wait and see, but I am optimistic.

I think the warranty horse has been drug into the arena and beaten to death on several occasions.


http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~bgbajaj/pic/deadhorse2.gif

Cool. 8) 8) 8)

(No real horses were abused in this production. SPCA despised, but reluctantly approved)

ok, guys.

i'll do it and show you my tailights :)

My local Speedparts dealer told me that he we will install another data WITHOUR removing ECU through OBDII.

Ford Motorsports SVO

You keep posting this SVO .. was it the 4cyl turbo mustang? Those were HOT. I'm jealous.

ok, guys.

i'll do it and show you my tailights :)

My local Speedparts dealer told me that he we will install another data WITHOUR removing ECU through OBDII.

Ivan,

Are you going to get a dyno done first so you can compare the before/after?

One of the things that has been ringing in my ears (or eyes?) since I"ve read it on this board and other sites was 247hk(HP) was achieved "without exhaust".. so I don't know if that means without a performance exhaust bolted on, or literally, WITHOUT AN EXHAUST SYSTEM.

I tried to pre-order one yesterday, but Nick didn't have pricing yet :( .. I'm guessing the weak dollar will make it slightly more expensive than we'd hoped.

Yea, that's the one. 1986 Ford Mustang SVO, the first time they let the Motorsports Boys build a car:

2.3 Liter, turbo 4, intercooled - 205 factory hp, 248ftlbs torque. Really easy mods bring it to 225hp, which is where I have mine - it was a very, very limited production car, and I like to keep mine (mostly) stock. An absolutely bulletproof engine.

400hp street is fully documented, with no internal re-enforcing or special lower end parts.

Factory Koni's, quad shock rear with axel location components.

SVO-only front suspension geometry, with forged (iron!) control arms, unique K-member, bigger 5 bolt hubs (and rear axel), and 4 wheel disc brakes.

Factory 225/50/VR16's (in 1984 thru '86!), originally gatorbacks.

3028lbs curb weight, 55/45 weight distribution, drop 300 lbs for the factory-built competition prep models!

5 speed, factory hurst shifted, t-5 tranny with unique to the SVO track-oriented ratios.

All sorts of SVO-unique goodies, including seats, stereo, interior colors and panals, dash fascia, ground effects (all wind tunnel tested functional), hood, and the entire front clip!

The grandaddy of all SVT's, and one of the best handling american cars of all time. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to brag on it :wink: :wink: Gawd, I love that car!

ill stick with my 86 t-top gt (yes mustangs came with t-tops back in the day) that does a quarter in 11sec even though i built it for roadracing.

Blast the warranty, I'm ready to roll the dice, after I put on my new wheels I lost ALOT of speed, as long as I can reset to stock profile I'm in.

Mbodo, I believe "yes". But I have winter tires now :(

So what about the people who do not have a local speedparts dealer. how the hell are we supposed to remove the ecu. if we tell the dealer to do so, then the warranty is voided. is there anyway we can just get the freakin thing ?

Was reading this on speedparts.se's site:

Following your order, your ECU must be sent to Speedparts or your Speedparts dealer for checking/verification.

So what the heck is the point of being able to upgrade your ECU from the drivers seat if .. IT HAS TO GO BACK TO BE VERIFIED.

Why not just send the whole %^*!!# ECU to begin with. Is there something that's been lost in the translation? Simon you had this similar upgrade performed, did you have to send in your ECU or was it plug & play/pray?

Was reading this on speedparts.se's site:

Following your order, your ECU must be sent to Speedparts or your Speedparts dealer for checking/verification.

So what the heck is the point of being able to upgrade your ECU from the drivers seat if .. IT HAS TO GO BACK TO BE VERIFIED.

Why not just send the whole %^*!!# ECU to begin with. Is there something that's been lost in the translation? Simon you had this similar upgrade performed, did you have to send in your ECU or was it plug & play/pray?

There is probably an ecu catch code that is on the ecu that is needed for the reprogramming. There are different families of computer codes for the ecus in a car. You probably can get that catch code without disconnecting the ecu. Well, at least in most cars you can get the catch code without disconnecting it.

There better be a way to get the catch code without removing the ECU, not that mine is going anywhere to begin with. I think that BSR are gonna loose a lot because of this stupid requirement. I agree, why the hell do they say it can be done from the drivers seat. This all sounds like a bunch of sh*t to me. I was planning on buying that thing as soon as it came out, and i aint anymore, unless a miracle happens

If I upgrade my vector using the PPC tuning and put the sports exhaust or whatever it is, would i get 260hp ?

If I upgrade my vector using the PPC tuning and put the sports exhaust or whatever it is, would i get 260hp ?

Well I think that was the question I was aiming it .. I didn't see any clarification as to whether or not they physically removed all exhaust components (read: no cat) or if it meant they just didn't put an aftermarket one on.

Simon you had this similar upgrade performed, did you have to send in your ECU or was it plug & play/pray?

No it's just plug and play for the Trionic 7 equipped cars. This is not a permanent solution. The 9-3SS Trionic 8 PPC will be available worldwide in the near future.

this is the answer i've got from PFS :
Hi

Sorry for the delay in replying.

Yes PFS will be selling the new PPC for the 9-3SS. I'm afraid we do not yet have pricing information. It will not be necessary to return your ECU.

Full details will be made available on our website on or around the 7th
January 2004.

Regards

http://www.partsforsaabs.com

this is the answer i've got from PFS :


well you could have just PM'd him :-D

Would there be a difference if we purchase the PPC from PFS or BSR? BSR say that we do need to send in out ECU but PFS say that we do not have to do that. Who do we believe ?

Would there be a difference if we purchase the PPC from PFS or BSR? BSR say that we do need to send in out ECU but PFS say that we do not have to do that. Who do we believe ?

Holy acronyms Batman!! PPC BSR PFS ECU XYZ PDQ LOL :lol:

Would there be a difference if we purchase the PPC from PFS or BSR? BSR say that we do need to send in out ECU but PFS say that we do not have to do that. Who do we believe ?

Nobody.