: update on PPC from Engstrom for 9-3 SS
Just got an e-mail from Engstrom on the PPC upgrade software tuning.
The 9-3 SS after loading of the new software will get:
205hp
230 lb/ft torque
Wow, I am impressed more with the torque increase. At 230 lb/ft of torque, that is 20 more than my wife's 330i. cool... 8)
Well, will wait till the warranty is near the 3 years or 60,000km and will probably get it. Hopefully by that time, the price will be lower.
Where is Engstrom? Canada or USA? How can I contact them?
The power gain is from a base of 150HP or 175HP?
Where is Engstrom? Canada or USA? How can I contact them?
The power gain is from a base of 150HP or 175HP?
Engstrom is in the US.
The power gain is for the 175 hp 2.0t. Actually, the numbers are pretty impressive, 30hp (18%) gain, 30 lb/ft (15%) torque.
Where is Engstrom? Canada or USA? How can I contact them?
The power gain is from a base of 150HP or 175HP?
Engstrom is on the web too.
OK. How can I contact them?
I tried www.engstrom.com, but I think it is not right.
oslowley 17-12-03, 11:03 PM it's.net not .com
Damn Stereo 18-12-03, 01:41 AM Since the PPC system can restore factory settings, does this mean that our warranty is intact should something go wrong with the car? Or can the dealer detect it , thus voiding our warranty?
Silver 9-3 Arc 18-12-03, 02:10 AM $995 for a 20-30 HP gain. Talk about getting screwed over. :x
well lets hope it will be more worth it for the 150bhp spec :D
Since the PPC system can restore factory settings, does this mean that our warranty is intact should something go wrong with the car? Or can the dealer detect it , thus voiding our warranty?
No one will be able to detect anything. I was thinking the other night though that what if the car breaks down because of the PPC. Then, you cant really restore factory settings cause the ECU is hit and they would then find out. Would anyone have more clarification towards this matter?
Since the PPC system can restore factory settings, does this mean that our warranty is intact should something go wrong with the car? Or can the dealer detect it , thus voiding our warranty?
No one will be able to detect anything. I was thinking the other night though that what if the car breaks down because of the PPC. Then, you cant really restore factory settings cause the ECU is hit and they would then find out. Would anyone have more clarification towards this matter?
I think these are all valid concerns, and I have them too. That is why I will wait for at least a year or two, to let them iron out any bugs in their software programming. I would also check on their reliability record on the web and see if there has been many issues with consumers using their programming.
The BSR PPC system has been around for quite a while now. It has been available for Volvo's for some time but only recently for Saabs.
I have been running uprated software via the BSR PPC in my 9-5 for a couple of months now and have had no problems at all except for my right foot getting heavier :cheesy: I gained 69Bhp :cheesy:
Finally! :D
150/175hp -> 204hp/310Nm
210hp Aero -> 247hp/388Nm
More info:
http://www.bsrab.se/se/1_trimsatser_saab.php?t=9
Ok guys i have a question, in order to reprogram the computer does it have to be disconnected? if it does then most likely the dealer will be able to tell that something has been done with it. i am not saying they are smart enough to know what is different but as soon as they hook up a techII it will tell them the computer connection was disrupted. i am not sure of all the details, but i will try to find them out. i was actually trying to get ahold of someone at saab to get some insite. normally it wouldnt be a problem since i work at gm but saab engines arent tested in the US that i know of. my friend (software engineer on a different car) should know the answers to these questions though.
Ok guys i have a question, in order to reprogram the computer does it have to be disconnected? if it does then most likely the dealer will be able to tell that something has been done with it. i am not saying they are smart enough to know what is different but as soon as they hook up a techII it will tell them the computer connection was disrupted. i am not sure of all the details, but i will try to find them out. i was actually trying to get ahold of someone at saab to get some insite. normally it wouldnt be a problem since i work at gm but saab engines arent tested in the US that i know of. my friend (software engineer on a different car) should know the answers to these questions though.
Check our engstrom website for more info. but apparently, you simply take the unit which comes with the price, and plug it into the socket under the instrumentation dash, where your SAAB technician would plug in the Tech II. No physical disconnection of the ECU required.
Vector-SS 18-12-03, 03:15 PM What do they exactly mean by 217hk?
CallipNCSUsaab 18-12-03, 04:48 PM 8)
its about time I saw something for the arc/vector/aero.. who is going to experiment first?
8)
its about time I saw something for the arc/vector/aero.. who is going to experiment first?
Well, given my car is only 1 year old @ 25,000 km, I think I will wait till the 3 year warranty is up before I will go for the upgrade. Or if there has been enough "consumer" testing (guinea pigs 8) ) maybe... :cheesy:
Anyway, it is really tempting to try to get it, as 230 lb/ft torque rocks! But at $995.00 hmmm... and it's stuck to one car... but wait... if this same PPC ECU software upgrade unit can be used for other cars like Audi, Volvo and future SAABs for a low software update price, that would be worth it.
epsilon93 18-12-03, 08:20 PM What do they exactly mean by 217hk?
217hp
epsilon93 18-12-03, 08:33 PM Man! The figures are wild! I want it....I want it.... :D :D
IMHO this is a very good and safe way to upgrade the ECU. My main concern is if it fries the ECU or anything happens to the ECU while it is programmed with the upgrade or if there is any data corruption in the ECU during programming.
What do they exactly mean by 217hk?
217hp
No, the actual Hp gain for the 175 hp engine is 205 hp, and not 217hp.
Wow! an increase of 54bhp & 70NM of torque sounds fantastic! :lol: (For those with the 1.8t's that is). Can't wait to get one!
Anyone in Sing interested? maybe can order together!
$995 for a 20-30 HP gain. Talk about getting screwed over. :x
Yes, it is an expensive upgrade at $995 and probably a little overpriced.
But if you consider what some BMW 330i owners had to pay for the EHP package, which is about $5000 for some reworking of the engine and only produced 10hp gain and 10 lb/ft gain over the unmodified 330i, plus some shocks upgrade. Now that is "daylight robbery". :o
The PPC gives 30hp increase and 30 lb/ft torque increase for $995. Overpriced, but not unexpected from comparing with other upgrade packages offered by tuners and car makers.
03_Saab 9-3 19-12-03, 02:45 PM man it would be wild to get my linear up to 210HP.... that would be sweet, but im sooo weary of chip tuning this car. Maybe once my warranty is up and if i decide to keep the car, but other then that... hmm not sure. I have a way to go on the warranty though, 4yr/50,000 miles, im @ 19,000 miles now, unless of course i hit the lotto before then, then all bets are off and shes gettin chip/Ecu, intercooler, the works! haha. :cheesy:
man it would be wild to get my linear up to 210HP.... that would be sweet, but im sooo weary of chip tuning this car. Maybe once my warranty is up and if i decide to keep the car, but other then that... hmm not sure. I have a way to go on the warranty though, 4yr/50,000 miles, im @ 19,000 miles now, unless of course i hit the lotto before then, then all bets are off and shes gettin chip/Ecu, intercooler, the works! haha. :cheesy:
That's funny, but anybody in that situation will probably not bother with tuning the 9-3 SS, just go out and buy a nicely loaded up porsche or BMW M3 or MB AMG. :cheesy:
03_Saab 9-3 19-12-03, 07:39 PM Yeh well i didnt say i would buy one of those either haha. Actually if i had the budget id like to buy another GTI VR6, and really let the mods flow hehe. In memory of my old GTI.
brucec32 20-12-03, 11:56 PM $995 for a 20-30 HP gain. Talk about getting screwed over. :x
Really? BMW gets nearly a $10,000 premium to move from a 225hp 3.0 engine to around 290hp with a 4.4L V8 on 5 series cars. Euro power isn't cheap.
I assume the upgrade for a 2.0t Linear 9-3 SS would be similar in power improvements. This would give it roughly equal power numbers to arc/aero models with the advantage of having less turbo lag with the smaller turbo in that engine. So for $1000, it would, I assume, outperform the models that cost several thousand more. Hardly getting screwed over for those who are into maxing out performance.
brucec32 20-12-03, 11:57 PM The BSR PPC system has been around for quite a while now. It has been available for Volvo's for some time but only recently for Saabs.
I have been running uprated software via the BSR PPC in my 9-5 for a couple of months now and have had no problems at all except for my right foot getting heavier :cheesy: I gained 69Bhp :cheesy:
Does your car still have the turbo lag? That's my only problem with the power on our Saab, not midrange and above.
sunburn731 08-01-04, 04:52 PM What do they exactly mean by 217hk?
217hp
Why do they rate the original aero engine at 217hp? Isnt it 210 hp?
nestoraero 09-01-04, 05:32 PM What do they exactly mean by 217hk?
217hp
Why do they rate the original aero engine at 217hp? Isnt it 210 hp?
They dynotested it and it showed 217 hp.
Also in Greece the Aero was dynotested to 218 hp.
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