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: 1993 Ruby Red Restoration


Chris_R
20th July 2009, 10:11 PM
Hi guys!

I know I'm new here, but I'd like to chronicle my journey through the restoration and repair of my newly-acquired 1993 Ruby Red (color code 242) c900 automatic turbo convertible.

Pics to be added here:

So far these are the things I've found to work through just from a cursory glance - please feel free to chime in if you have advice or parts to offer:

Mechanical:
Vacuum tree on the valve cover is broken
I don't think the 'hooter valve' is working. When I let off the throttle in boost I don't hear a 'hoot'.
One of the vacuum hoses from the APC valve (on the front of the car above the grille?) has nothing connected to it.
Related, I think, to that there is a plastic tube with some clear silicone sealing a hole.
Distributor looks like it was cobbled together with a healthy dose of JB Weld - but it works.
SRS light flashes
Brake light is lit - plenty of fluid, maybe overfull?
Park Brake light is on
I can hear water/fluid sloshing in the back somewhere when I corner
Need to reinstall the AC compressor and charge the system
One window is misaligned
Driver's door won't open with the key from the outside
Both front tires are toast
Fuel gauge doesn't gauge the fuel

Cosmetic:
Interior lights don't seem to be working
Pass headlight seems to be held in place by the wiring and fairy dust
Numerous bulbs in the dash need replaced
Clear coat on the hood is fried
Rust bubbles under the rear valence/license plate
Grille is busted
Rear speaker grilles are busted
Rear ashtray is missing
Top seating surface of driver's seat is ruined - the rest of the seats are pretty much perfect.
Missing the handles to fold the seats forward
Dash is cracked, of course
Top is also done
Leather on top of driver's door is rough
Top mechanism doesn't work
I know I read an awesome article on the convertible top operation and repair - anyone know where that is???
God help me, I think that's all so far.

On the good side, it starts, runs, steers, shifts, boosts and stops. It's a good start in my world.

misu
20th July 2009, 10:31 PM
Hi and welcome into CV gang :cool:.
Maybe you could find some good advices inside my project of restoration my 900... There are lots of photos and even more are here: http://www.saabphotos.com/gallery/Renovation-of-900-CV-1991

You can watch my journey thru a whole project. If you will have some special question, ask me. I think I know a little bit about 900 CV already...:D

rawill
21st July 2009, 12:12 AM
Misu does not do himself justice. He does not know a little bit about the C900 model. I think knows nearly everything! If you make him your friend you will learn a lot. Misu keep up the good work on your 900, it looks great already. It was a 2.3 you put into it wasn't it?

misu
21st July 2009, 01:00 AM
No, my heart is B202 rescued from rusted 1990 Aero. With Trionic 5 it runs superb.

Chris_R
21st July 2009, 05:39 AM
Hi and welcome into CV gang :cool:.
Maybe you could find some good advices inside my project of restoration my 900... There are lots of photos and even more are here: http://www.saabphotos.com/gallery/Renovation-of-900-CV-1991

You can watch my journey thru a whole project. If you will have some special question, ask me. I think I know a little bit about 900 CV already...:D

I've read your thread. :o

I'll be reading it again though - thanks!

IronJoe
21st July 2009, 10:28 AM
I don't think the 'hooter valve' is working. When I let off the throttle in boost I don't hear a 'hoot'. Chris, the "hooter" valve or bypass valve is called that because it "hoots" when it's BROKEN. So if yours is operational, you will hear nothing.

One of the vacuum hoses from the APC valve (on the front of the car above the grille?) has nothing connected to it. Get this remedied ASAP. There are three outputs on the APC solenoid - W, R, and C. C goes to the Turbo compressor housing (brass nipple on turbo), R stands for Return and goes to the spot on the air intake, and W stands for Wastegate and needs to be plugged into the wastegate actuator. If this one isn't connected, you will have an overboost problem that can blow your motor.

I would redo all the vacuum lines in with silicone. I have used HoseTechniques for years and they work great. You'll need 3.5mm for the regular vac hoses, and 6mm for the APC solenoid hoses.

http://www.hosetechniques.com/


Top mechanism doesn't workCould be as simple as low or empty hydraulic fluid. Go by some hydraulic jack oil and fill the resevoir underneath the rear seat, pass. side.



Hope that helps. Oh, and we need pics of this car!!

Chris_R
21st July 2009, 12:03 PM
Chris, the "hooter" valve or bypass valve is called that because it "hoots" when it's BROKEN. So if yours is operational, you will hear nothing.

Get this remedied ASAP. There are three outputs on the APC solenoid - W, R, and C. C goes to the Turbo compressor housing (brass nipple on turbo), R stands for Return and goes to the spot on the air intake, and W stands for Wastegate and needs to be plugged into the wastegate actuator. If this one isn't connected, you will have an overboost problem that can blow your motor.

I would redo all the vacuum lines in with silicone. I have used HoseTechniques for years and they work great. You'll need 3.5mm for the regular vac hoses, and 6mm for the APC solenoid hoses.

http://www.hosetechniques.com/


Could be as simple as low or empty hydraulic fluid. Go by some hydraulic jack oil and fill the resevoir underneath the rear seat, pass. side.



Hope that helps. Oh, and we need pics of this car!!

Thanks for the info.

The car doesn't feel like the boost gets released when I let off the gas. I'm used to hearing a chuffing sound with the Volvos I guess?

As for the APC, It's the hose that goes back to the intake. Gonna see about replacing all the vacuum lines and silicon is always my choice.

Ideas for what color to put under the hood of a Ruby Red would be cool. Leaning towards electric blue for some reason.

philjohnhb
21st July 2009, 06:06 PM
The roof could also just be the big fuse all on its own inside a black casing on the inside of the passenger side fender just above where the red cable from the battery goes into a small junction box. Also, check all of your fuses, the relays are fused through the one marked seat heater would you believe.


Good luck and, as Iron Joe says: Pictures!!

Chris_R
21st July 2009, 10:08 PM
I'm bad about taking before pictures. Here are the ones I got from the seller.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/cwrhoades2/SAAB/engine.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/cwrhoades2/SAAB/frview.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/cwrhoades2/SAAB/int1.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/cwrhoades2/SAAB/int2.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/cwrhoades2/SAAB/rrview.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/cwrhoades2/SAAB/viewlf.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/cwrhoades2/SAAB/viewrf.jpg

I've already started cleaning a little.

rawill
21st July 2009, 11:17 PM
Interior: Back seats look new.

Car looks like it will come up to look very nice.

Drivrer seat looks a bit bad though, to be expected.

Chris_R
22nd July 2009, 10:39 AM
Well, I got a whopping 1/2 hour to play with the car last night. Managed to fix a few things and plan a few others.

Looks like I lose the Edit option after a bit, so I'm forced to quote myself.

Mechanical:
Vacuum tree on the valve cover is broken
-Fixed

One of the vacuum hoses from the APC valve (on the front of the car above the grille?) has nothing connected to it.
Related, I think, to that there is a plastic tube with some clear silicone sealing a hole.
-Fixed

Fuel gauge doesn't gauge the fuel
-The needle just lays there pointing downwards. Anyone know if there is are connections that I can jump to see if it's the gauge itself or the sender?

Cosmetic:
Interior lights don't seem to be working
-Printed some FAQs so hopefully I can dig into that soon.

Pass headlight seems to be held in place by the wiring and fairy dust
-Needs a whole new bucket... anyone breaking a c900?

Grille is busted
-Going to attempt to repair and paint as it's just cracked - unless someone has a good one?

Rear speaker grilles are busted
Rear ashtray is missing
Top seating surface of driver's seat is ruined - the rest of the seats are pretty much perfect.
Leather on top of driver's door is rough
Missing the handles to fold the seats forward
-and we're back to parts shopping... anyone?


I'm going to post an ad in the Wanted section now... Sigh.

woywitka
22nd July 2009, 06:11 PM
I don't think that leather is original anyways. The seam on the back seat on the back rest portion between the contours is not found on convertibles.

Looks like the car will clean up nicely, and such a nice colour to have.

Chris_R
23rd July 2009, 10:30 AM
Spent a little more time last night. Pulled the rear seat bottom and found all kinds of crap... but mostly leaves, broken glass and the semi-dried gooey remains of hydraulic fluid. :cry:


Mechanical:
I can hear water/fluid sloshing in the back somewhere when I corner
-Any ideas on where to look for this? Is it fuel in the tank maybe? I've pulled the rear cover in the trunk and found nothing (but rust :x).

Need to reinstall the AC compressor and charge the system
-Reinstalled the compressor and the belt - hope to charge soon.

Cosmetic:
Rust bubbles under the rear valence/license plate
-Yeah, this is worse than I first thought. Thank god we don't have a rust-growing climate here - maybe I can stop the advancement before it gets any worse.

Top mechanism doesn't work
-Good news is that the pump did actually turn a bit. Now I have the task of filling the pump and watching where the fluid goes squirting.
Should I remove all rear panels and seatback for this?



Interior lights have a good fuse but still no light. I hope to get in there with the multimeter soon and see if I just happen to have a ton of burnt out bulbs.

That's about all I had time for last night.

This 'having a life and a family and a job' stuff really gets in the way of my play time sometimes! :p

Chris_R
26th July 2009, 09:29 PM
Well, some things are coming into focus...

I now know why the car smells funky and the top won't go up.

1) Water and hydraulic fluid make a nasty, stinky salad dressing.
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/cwrhoades2/SAAB/101_0137.jpg
Everything that is red in this pic has been scraped clean and is now just white.
Probably ditched 10 pounds of tar and sound deadening.

2) Hydraulic fluid can make a helluvan exit when there's a missing ram and the hoses are just dangling. :evil:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/cwrhoades2/SAAB/101_0136.jpg

The carpet padding is drying now. Carpet, and really the whole of the interior plastics, need to be redyed. Thinking of trying to find some 9000 aero seats and color matching to those - whatever they may be.

Car was barely cobbled back together by a PO (not Bob that I bought it from I don't think).
Just kinda hanging there...
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/cwrhoades2/SAAB/101_0133.jpg
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/cwrhoades2/SAAB/101_0134.jpg

I think I'm missing a plug on the passenger side.
Drivers:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/cwrhoades2/SAAB/101_0139.jpg
Pass:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/cwrhoades2/SAAB/101_0140.jpg
Can anyone confirm that something should be plugged in there?

Oooh, teaser shot:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/cwrhoades2/SAAB/101_0141.jpg
Pass side fits without modification, driver's will need some work.

Anyone have a ram they can spare? :(

Breakin5speeds
27th July 2009, 06:41 PM
good luck with that speaker pod on the passenger side, considering you have it where the computer is

Chris_R
27th July 2009, 09:40 PM
Really? How many computers does this thing have? :o

There are 2 more under the back seat. I assumed they were the ECU and EZK. No?

Chris_R
30th July 2009, 07:35 AM
Finally got to put a few miles on her last night.

Seems a bit rough at idle - thinking mounts are worn, but since it's the only SAAB I've ridden in I don't know if maybe that's normal?

Alignment is tweaked for sure - or tires are just that worn that it causes pulling. NBD.

The dash lights are prehistoric in design! I have one bulb out but still, wow... I'm gonna have to find some LEDs to go in there.

SRS light has to come out I think - bugs me to no end.

Park Brake and Brake lights still need attention. When I pull the e-brake up the light gets brighter so something else is at work here methinks.

Seemed to run a little warm but at least I know the e-fan works after stopping. Gotta check/flush the coolant still. Maybe replace the thermostat for ****s-n-giggles.

Got some gook in the vent system - smells like a swamp when I turn on the fan. I'm sure a drain is clogged somewhere in that thing under the hood. A good cleaning and maybe a scoop from a 300ZX turbo will be in order.
http://www3.telus.net/Denis/pictures/300zpage/highfront.jpg


Shifts good and strong, if a bit late. Gotta adjust the cable for that.

Boosting early (like just off-idle in parking lots?) and strong, but not very high. APC and base-boost adjustments here I come.

Overall I like it! Didn't hurt that it was an absolutely GORGEOUS starry night and rolling with the top down was brilliant.

Headed to the JY today to see what I can find. They just got in a 92. I hope it's a 'vert!

Chris_R
30th July 2009, 09:58 PM
Happy fricking junkyard day!

Got an email the other day that they got a 92 900 in at the Pull-A-Part.

Imagine my surprise when I see that it's a vert... and the (black) top is PRISTINE!!!

I got to work pulling trim and staples and in less than an hour I have a complete top, with bows and glass rear window and all... Best part - it cost me 100 bucks!

Just gotta source some stainless steel staples and get started on the conversion from blonde (tan) to brunette (black).

Also, in the same car I found a couple of Boston Acoustics 6 1/2" FX6 speakers too - they look nearly new and they cost less than 4 bucks each. WOOT!

Overall, good day.

rawill
30th July 2009, 10:14 PM
Happy fricking junkyard day!

Got an email the other day that they got a 92 900 in at the Pull-A-Part.

Imagine my surprise when I see that it's a vert... and the (black) top is PRISTINE!!!

I got to work pulling trim and staples and in less than an hour I have a complete top, with bows and glass rear window and all... Best part - it cost me 100 bucks!

Just gotta source some stainless steel staples and get started on the conversion from blonde (tan) to brunette (black).

Also, in the same car I found a couple of Boston Acoustics 6 1/2" FX6 speakers too - they look nearly new and they cost less than 4 bucks each. WOOT!

Overall, good day.

I am jealous!! We don't have junkyards like that. In our junkyards you only get junk!!

Chris_R
8th August 2009, 06:00 PM
So the work has been slow due to work, Family, Boy Scouts and working on the yard and my other cars*.

I've been cleaning up bits and pieces here and there though. Driving the car a bit as well. Still need to sort the boost issue - only goes to about the middle.
But I have yet to go thru the steps for checking base boost, etc.

I found that the CD player that's installed in the car is an Alpine CDE-7822s - just needs a faceplate (I hope) so that's good news.

Here's a preview of what's in store for the audio:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/cwrhoades2/SAAB/101_0148.jpg
Haven't decided between the single 12 and figuring out how to rock the vintage Coustic Bass Pumps.
Already installed the JBL front speakers - the Bostons are from the same JY car that gave its top - they look new. Total cost on those, ~6 bucks.

And a little something for the folks that hate A-Pillar pods:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/cwrhoades2/SAAB/101_0145.jpg
Let the haters hate. :p



*Some douchebag decided to break into my Volvo wagon and steal my electric shaver. :confused: It was an older Braun and it was raggedy - needed a new screen so I hope it ripped his face off. So I had to go to the JY and get a replacement - there went my SAAB playing time for that weekend.

Chris_R
13th August 2009, 09:11 AM
I found that the CD player that's installed in the car is an Alpine CDE-7822s - just needs a faceplate (I hope) so that's good news.

Bought a replacement Alpine (got the whole deck, remote and faceplate for the same price as just a replacement face) CDE-7822s off Ebay.

Attached the new face to the deck that was in the car... and it worked!

Old top is halfway uninstalled - hope to have the swap complete this weekend.

Pics are sure to follow.

Chris_R
16th August 2009, 03:40 PM
Stupid car ate the battery... no goodies for you this week. :evil:

Chris_R
19th August 2009, 10:22 PM
Checked the brakes yesterday - front pads are nice and meaty, rears notsomuch.

Rotated the tires - someone mounted 2 of the directional tires in the wrong direction for the directional wheels. The other 2 (correctly mounted) tires are toast. What a great reason to get new rims/tires!

Seems I may have 2 bad APC valves as neither of them will click for me when power is applied. :cry:

Gonna try to rebuild one of them.

Chris_R
23rd August 2009, 01:35 PM
OK, Ruby will not be this car's name... and not just because she's been repainted something other than Ruby Red - it's just not a name I'd use for a car.

That said, "Ruby" (until she/he reveals his/her true name) is no longer a blonde.
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/cwrhoades2/SAAB/101_0183.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/cwrhoades2/SAAB/101_0184.jpg

Silly question here, but I'm thinking this:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/cwrhoades2/SAAB/101_0181.jpg
Means I have a full-blast heater all the time. :o

rawill
23rd August 2009, 03:42 PM
You could be right, there is a part, hose, in here somewhere that has a valve inside a hose.

ooopseyesharted
23rd August 2009, 06:34 PM
Nice score on the car and the parts.
Those bass pumps were sick back in the day. Yours look brand new!!!!!

I was wondering if that vert at the JY had a good gauge surround?
The rubber on mine is gone.

Chris_R
24th August 2009, 06:31 AM
Everything on that car was in pretty good shape except the front end, trunk and front seats.

How do you get the gauge cluster out of these cars?

IronJoe
24th August 2009, 11:57 AM
High-five.

The tan top looks terrible IMHO. Great upgrade.

rawill
24th August 2009, 02:14 PM
How do you get the gauge cluster out of these cars?

There are 4 long screws, each a different length that go up from the bottom to the top. they go through the dash panel. Make sure you note which one goes where, number them. If you need to take the whole panel out, as you do if you need to get to the heater valve there is a bolt in each front A pillar that you access with the door open and get to from beside the mudguard/fender. There is clearer instruction on here or in the Bentleys. have a search, let us know if you can't find it. Been there and done that! Easy but time consuming.

rawill
24th August 2009, 03:44 PM
High-five.

The tan top looks terrible IMHO. Great upgrade.

Well I thought the tan top looked quite good, BUT, the black one is great.

ooopseyesharted
24th August 2009, 04:08 PM
she looks excellent

Chris_R
24th August 2009, 04:32 PM
Greatest advantage of the black top over the tan is its ability to keep water on the outside of the vehicle. :D

Plus I think it lowers the car visually. Once there's tint and lowering it will look even better.

adyc900
24th August 2009, 04:40 PM
It's a by-pass valve that's been got rid off. They were put on to help keep heat in the cabin while stationary. You don't need it,you could cook an egg on the heaters:lol:
The dash screws are marked with scored rings, one ring for position 1,2 rings for 2 etc,there is a dash screw hidden under the center console,so you have to remove console first.

Chris_R
24th August 2009, 04:45 PM
Great news - thanks for the tips!

Chris_R
7th September 2009, 10:47 AM
Looks like a repaint, and a ****ty one at that, to me.
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/cwrhoades2/SAAB/000_0079.jpg
They didn't even remove the spoiler... :cry:

Should be fun trying to match the paint for the hood.

Probably do a full repaint. Been wanting to try my hand at the 50 dollar paint job thing anyway.

Chris_R
20th October 2009, 10:49 AM
Trying to choose a color for the repaint that will likely happen next Spring - sooner if I clean out the garage. ;oops:
Suggestions? Please remember that I want to do a rustoleum paint job
http://www.rustoleum.com/CBGBrand.asp?bid=2
Look under Protective Enamel for colors.


Anyone know why I'm getting water under the rear seat? I thought everything was sealed up with the new top but every time it rains I get water under there.

Thought I might pull the rear panels and get inside with my daughter or wife running the hose over the car. but if someone has an idea of what I should be looking for, that's help.

Chris_R
6th January 2010, 04:53 PM
Here's a preview of what's in store for the audio:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/cwrhoades2/SAAB/101_0148.jpg
Haven't decided between the single 12 and figuring out how to rock the vintage Coustic Bass Pumps.
Already installed the JBL front speakers - the Bostons are from the same JY car that gave its top - they look new. Total cost on those, ~6 bucks.


Took advantage of the balmy (:roll:) 30 degree weather last weekend to install my sound system.

Ended up using the:
JBL 4" speakers
Pioneer soft dome tweets (mounted in the blanks next to the JBLs)
Boston 6" speakers in the rear (I just loooove how the seatbelts cover the tweeters :roll:)
Infiniti Kappa Perfect 10.1 sub in the box shown below (for the record yes, that box was pirated from my Volvo wagon)
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/cwrhoades2/Radio017.jpg
The sub basket hangs down outside/below the box into the cavity of the SAAB's trunk and the box is only about 5" thick.
The whole system is powered by the Kicker Impulse 5-channel amp, also pictured.

Chris_R
11th January 2010, 09:26 AM
Been playing under the hood and rescuing parts from the Pull-A-Part.

Finally found an APC valve (brown/tan thing under the hood) that works!

Wow! even at stock settings with 87 octane fuel it's a TON better than it was.

I also found that someone had 'tweaked' the idle stop screw on the throttle body. It was tweaked to the point that the TPS never clicked shut. Fixed that and she's running like a champ!

I'm not even bothered by the 3-speed auto anymore!

Still LOTS more work to do but I like it more and more the more I fix it.

Chris_R
4th February 2010, 08:18 PM
The cigarette lighter was entirely too loose and pointed the wrong way for my favorite gooseneck map-light.

Grabbed a 12V power port at the junkyard, drilled/cut/sanded a hole, wired it up and voila:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b317/cwrhoades2/c407d28f.jpg

ooopseyesharted
4th February 2010, 09:58 PM
Chris....she looks great so far!!!
That power port is badass