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StuntDriver
10th April 2008, 04:05 PM
Anyone have any videos on streetfire.net.

Or know of any really good videos on there.

Here's a cool one with a couple of Saab's from the Saab Performance Team.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Saab-Performance-Driving-Team_157026.htm

John Z Williams
10th April 2008, 07:16 PM
I have one of my stage 6 gt3071,

John

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Saab-ng900-b234r-23-engine-gt3071-Jak-Stoll-stage_111754.htm

StuntDriver
10th April 2008, 07:24 PM
That was pretty fast man. Keep up the good work.

rc89pl
10th April 2008, 10:06 PM
that was quick!

do You have any 0-60 videos?

David in Tallahassee
10th April 2008, 10:56 PM
Here's mine with a 2.0L and a T28

http://www.4shared.com/file/37313151/b821e10c/Modified_T28.html

This was with a Viggen I/C. I've since added an ETS and done a bit of tweaking but I doubt it has made any really significant difference.

I will be doing a 1.1 mile video run this Sunday if all goes well.

For comparison, here's my car with the T25 in the same configuration

http://www.4shared.com/file/37311902/f845ddc0/Modified_T25.html



David

ViggenStory93
11th April 2008, 12:26 AM
I have one of my stage 6 gt3071,

John

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Saab-ng900-b234r-23-engine-gt3071-Jak-Stoll-stage_111754.htm

holy sh*t! hela fast good job john

redrum
11th April 2008, 12:36 AM
that was quick!

do You have any 0-60 videos?

0-60 is really a moot point, especially with high hp FWD cars. See my rants in other threads ;)

lowbudgethero
11th April 2008, 07:33 AM
an old video of my 9-3 se with mbc only 50-130mph

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k1lyinPo1k

this was on a private road of course

John Z Williams
11th April 2008, 12:09 PM
Here's mine with a 2.0L and a T28

http://www.4shared.com/file/37313151/b821e10c/Modified_T28.html

This was with a Viggen I/C. I've since added an ETS and done a bit of tweaking but I doubt it has made any really significant difference.

I will be doing a 1.1 mile video run this Sunday if all goes well.

For comparison, here's my car with the T25 in the same configuration

http://www.4shared.com/file/37311902/f845ddc0/Modified_T25.html



David

Nice, I get 3:96 seconds from 60-90mph and that is pretty darn good for the t28;)

John

David in Tallahassee
11th April 2008, 05:45 PM
Nice, I get 3:96 seconds from 60-90mph and that is pretty darn good for the t28;)

John

Thanks John!

D-

comtrang
12th April 2008, 07:29 PM
Whoa, haven't been on here in a few days..

Hey Dave, what mods were you running in the video of the T25? I've already seen the T28 one but never the T25.

David in Tallahassee
13th April 2008, 10:33 AM
Whoa, haven't been on here in a few days..

Hey Dave, what mods were you running in the video of the T25? I've already seen the T28 one but never the T25.

Hey Comtrang,

My mods for the T25 were exactly the same as for the T28 except for the new turbo, the FMU / BAP I added to fuel it, and the ARP studs I installed when I changed it. Also, it was on the stock clutch and trans fluid. The boost was a tad lower (Actually quite a bit lower up top.), peaking at 24PSI or so.

You can see my mods list in the "Your Mods" thread.
http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1217966#post1217966

The only changes I've made since the T28 video and "Mods" list on the thread are that I've added an ETS I/C fixed a small exhaust manifold leak and done a bit of final tweaking.

D-

comtrang
13th April 2008, 10:12 PM
Hey Comtrang,

My mods for the T25 were exactly the same as for the T28 except for the new turbo, the FMU / BAP I added to fuel it, and the ARP studs I installed when I changed it. Also, it was on the stock clutch and trans fluid. The boost was a tad lower (Actually quite a bit lower up top.), peaking at 24PSI or so.

You can see my mods list in the "Your Mods" thread.
http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1217966#post1217966

The only changes I've made since the T28 video and "Mods" list on the thread are that I've added an ETS I/C fixed a small exhaust manifold leak and done a bit of final tweaking.

D-
So you're saying the boost was a bit lower up top, so what's it peak at now? Also, is the FMU really necessary for the T28? I know it's pushing quite a bit more air compared to the T25 but man.
Hm..so did you time close to 5.5s for the 60-90 on the T25 vid? Wow. Didn't know my car's current setup was capable of that.

David in Tallahassee
14th April 2008, 01:52 AM
So you're saying the boost was a bit lower up top, so what's it peak at now? Also, is the FMU really necessary for the T28? I know it's pushing quite a bit more air compared to the T25 but man.
Hm..so did you time close to 5.5s for the 60-90 on the T25 vid? Wow. Didn't know my car's current setup was capable of that.

The T28 is holding around 20PSI to actual redline. In my T25 vid, I thought I was near redline when I was shifting but you can see by my T28 vids that redline was still a ways away. What that means is that my T25 was done at or below 6K because the car simply wasn't pulling anymore. At that mark, the T25 was still producing around 15-16PSI on good flowing HW. If I had pushed it to actual redline around 6200, I would guess it would have been down to 11-12PSI. So the T28 is moving a LOT more air up top. The T28 is peaking at 26PSI down low.

Just remember the FMU is the source for all additional fuel over 15.5PSI (fuel cut) In other words, my ECU is only fueling for what it can see which is boost right below cut. The T28 moves about 25-30% more air and my fuel system was maxed out on the T25. So...yep, it's a must unless you are going to do a tuned ECU and injectors.

The way my car is tuned now, 60-90 isn't really a very good measure because it runs from below 4K to only about 5600RPMs. My power peak is at or very near redline I would estimate. So my pull is only getting better as it goes.

Here's a link to my vid from today. We were unable to get the 1.1 mile facility so I had to settle for a run that was only about .9 of a mile. I did however achieve 150MPH in that distance. Also, in comparing my two vids, it's OBVIOUS that the Viggen I/C was holding me back in the later gears. I can't believe the difference in 60-120 and 60-130 times between these two runs. To say the least, I'm ecstatic! 60-90 was pretty close to the same but 60-130 was almost 3 seconds faster after the ETS and some fine tuning.

(For a frame of reference, a stage III Viggen with a large and efficient I/C ran 137MPH in 1.1 miles in 50F weather. My run today was .9 mile in 65F weather.)

http://www.4shared.com/file/44029722/ff40a15d/DSCN1766.html

Have fun!

D-

comtrang
15th April 2008, 02:17 AM
Great video, glad that your T28's working out for you.
Did you get your T25 rebuilt or is this one of Jak's pieces?

David in Tallahassee
15th April 2008, 11:04 AM
Great video, glad that your T28's working out for you.
Did you get your T25 rebuilt or is this one of Jak's pieces?

Thanks man!

Are you asking about the T25 set-up that's in my T25 vid?

D-

Vigge
15th April 2008, 11:36 AM
(For a frame of reference, a stage III Viggen with a large and efficient I/C ran 137MPH in 1.1 miles in 50F weather. My run today was .9 mile in 65F weather.)

http://www.4shared.com/file/44029722/ff40a15d/DSCN1766.html

just one question when you're comparing speeds to apparently "Pades" run you are comparig police radar measured results, not speedo?
The track in Finland is 1,03miles (1650m) where Pades run was made.

John Z Williams
15th April 2008, 12:31 PM
Man, that viggen is fast:roll: That amazes me, I got to get back to sea-level one day and see what its all about...

John

David in Tallahassee
15th April 2008, 12:37 PM
just one question when you're comparing speeds to apparently "Pades" run you are comparig police radar measured results, not speedo?
The track in Finland is 1,03miles (1650m) where Pades run was made.

My car's speedo, in current configuration, is optimistic by 1.5% as measured by Police Radar. My wheel / tire combination is approximately 1.5% taller which helps to correct the stock speedo inaccuracy which would obviously be approximately 3% if the tires were stock size. The speedo is indicating a bit over 150MPH.

Actually, the run where Pade's car went 137 was 1700M (According to Pade Although IIRC you said 1800M in your original post.) 1700=1.05M 1800=1.11M

Based on the distance traveled between 140 and 150, I would have had room to top 155 calibrated in 1800M. Maybe 153 in 1700M to get technical.

D-

David in Tallahassee
15th April 2008, 01:13 PM
Man, that viggen is fast:roll: That amazes me, I got to get back to sea-level one day and see what its all about...

John



If you ever have a chance to come to Florida, let's go down to my home track in Bradenton. It's the track where the new Speed Channel show PASSTIME is filmed. I GUARANTEE you will NOT have a traction problem there! Awesome track great people, VERY well prepped and only 65 feet above sea level! Your car would be an absolute TERROR there.:cool:

D-

Vigge
15th April 2008, 01:36 PM
My car's speedo, in current configuration, is optimistic by 1.5% as measured by Police Radar. My wheel / tire combination is approximately 1.5% taller which helps to correct the stock speedo inaccuracy which would obviously be approximately 3% if the tires were stock size. The speedo is indicating a bit over 150MPH.

Actually, the run where Pade's car went 137 was 1700M (According to Pade Although IIRC you said 1800M in your original post.) 1700=1.05M 1800=1.11M

Based on the distance traveled between 140 and 150, I would have had room to top 155 calibrated in 1800M. Maybe 153 in 1700M to get technical.

D-
Sorry, estimating real speed from speedo at 150mph is what I avoind to any cost, if not checked against gps at the top speed, since the error % does not remain the same from lower speeds, but surely its better than nothing if a more precice device is(was) not available.

Dave I think I know how long the track is since I participated the same event with my viggen. The track it self from start to finish line there is 1750m but speed measured at a post 100m prior to the finish line... So the results you see posted from that event are for 1650m (1.03miles), thus you can rip it to 1750m if you wish or even to 2000m but then braking will become slitly more challenging.:cheesy:

At second annually held top speed in Finland (different air field) you get the speed for 1800m, but Pade has never driven there.

Vigge
15th April 2008, 01:39 PM
JZW are you talking about my car or Vigge's?

If you ever have a chance to come to Florida, let's go down to my home track in Bradenton. It's the track where the new Speed Channel show PASSTIME is filmed. I GUARANTEE you will NOT have a traction problem there! Awesome track great people, VERY well prepped and only 65 feet above sea level! Your car would be an absolute TERROR there.:cool:

D-

The annual texas mile would be closer to John.
http://www.texasmile.net/
the first run was March 28-29 and the later October 25-26

David in Tallahassee
15th April 2008, 02:11 PM
Sorry, estimating real speed from speedo at 150mph is what I avoind to any cost, if not checked against gps at the top speed, since the error % does not remain the same from lower speeds, but surely its better than nothing if a more precice device is(was) not available.

Dave I think I know how long the track is since I participated the same event with my viggen. The track it self from start to finish line there is 1750m but speed measured at a post 100m prior to the finish line... So the results you see posted from that event are for 1650m (1.03miles), thus you can rip it to 1750m if you wish or even to 2000m but then braking will become slitly more challenging.:cheesy:

At second annually held top speed in Finland (different air field) you get the speed for 1800m, but Pade has never driven there.

Sorry Vigge. Just going on the information I had as far as the track length.

The speedo has been checked with radar to 130MPH. It is at that point it is off 1.5%. At lower speeds it is closer to right on. Down at 30 MPH it reads dead-on. I doubt the percentages differ significantly enough to discuss between 130 and 150.

D-

John Z Williams
15th April 2008, 02:50 PM
The annual texas mile would be closer to John.
http://www.texasmile.net/
the first run was March 28-29 and the later October 25-26

Pinks all out is coming to Denver this August, we have 3 spots reserved for saabs. Should have 3 500bhp saabs to run there:cool:

John

Vigge
15th April 2008, 03:24 PM
Pinks all out is coming to Denver this August, we have 3 spots reserved for saabs. Should have 3 500bhp saabs to run there:cool:

John

It a fun and most of all a good measurable what the car can perform. Few second long dyno runs tell one story but 30s+ on WOT separate "mens from boys" and it becomes even more interesting if stock high price performacance cars turn up.

14 June will be the date for my next mile run, but may attend a shorter 1km run in few weeks time if weather allows.

John Z Williams
15th April 2008, 04:05 PM
I actually think I could do really, really well in a high speed run flat out like you guys do over there. I have not heard of anything like that near by, but if one ever came up, I would be there in a minute;)

John

mfyoung
15th April 2008, 04:18 PM
I actually think I could do really, really well in a high speed run flat out like you guys do over there. I have not heard of anything like that near by, but if one ever came up, I would be there in a minute;)

John

every year in teh salt flats they have the 130 and 150 club contest...google it and you can find the info

but basically 1 mile to run 130 but cant exceed 140, and 1 mile to run 150 can't exceed 160

on salt

David in Tallahassee
15th April 2008, 04:23 PM
Man, that viggen is fast:roll: That amazes me, I got to get back to sea-level one day and see what its all about...

John

JZW are you talking about my car or Vigge's?

D-

Vigge
15th April 2008, 04:32 PM
I actually think I could do really, really well in a high speed run flat out like you guys do over there. I have not heard of anything like that near by, but if one ever came up, I would be there in a minute;)

John
what is it from Dever to Texas 1000km? If so its not that bad. It 600km one way for me to the airport where the event is held here.

Jaws
15th April 2008, 04:35 PM
Pinks all out is coming to Denver this August, we have 3 spots reserved for saabs. Should have 3 500bhp saabs to run there:cool:

John

Pinks - can't wait for that!! Can you tell us who the other players are?

mfyoung
15th April 2008, 04:38 PM
what is it from Dever to Texas 1000km? If so its not that bad. It 600km one way for me to the airport where the event is held here.


more like 880 miles than 620.....for you metric guys is rougly 1400Km to texas from texas

John Z Williams
15th April 2008, 06:27 PM
Pinks - can't wait for that!! Can you tell us who the other players are?


Maptun cars:cool:

John

John Z Williams
15th April 2008, 06:28 PM
what is it from Dever to Texas 1000km? If so its not that bad. It 600km one way for me to the airport where the event is held here.

Texas is about 1000 miles and I drove there to Austin for a pylon racing event and it took me 18 hours down and 24 hours back, it was a tuff trip:o

John

John Z Williams
15th April 2008, 06:29 PM
JZW are you talking about my car or Vigge's?

D-

Vigge's stage 3 pulls look very good to me. You're car is not bad, but that viggen keeps pulling up top like nobodies business....:cool:

John

comtrang
17th April 2008, 04:26 PM
Where'd you see Vigge's stage 3 pulls? Don't recall ever seeing those..
I'm looking for other stage 3 vids/data to compare to..

Vigge
17th April 2008, 04:40 PM
Where'd you see Vigge's stage 3 pulls? Don't recall ever seeing those..
I'm looking for other stage 3 vids/data to compare to..

They dont exist, have never taken part in sucs competition when my car was in stage III trim, but know a few who have done, but dont recall that any videos have been shooten.
Generally speaking of the stage III viggen/9-3aero they perform deacent up to end of 4th gear and then it "nothing". This can be seen from the trap speed ~220 where the almost 1km has been spent to lift the speed for the last 30km/h or so, but one cant expect much better with the heavily sinking torque curve past 4500rpm

John Z Williams
17th April 2008, 04:41 PM
I am talking about the link Vigge posted with the stage 3 viggen.

I am sure Vigge has old data with his set-up with gt28rs, but not sure if he did any with the stock turbo and stage 3?

John

Vigge
17th April 2008, 05:09 PM
I am talking about the link Vigge posted with the stage 3 viggen.

I am sure Vigge has old data with his set-up with gt28rs, but not sure if he did any with the stock turbo and stage 3?

John
have not posted any links with from a stage III viggen.
Have a video of my car with GT28RS, running max 1.0bar boost into heavy headwind posted somewhere, year 2005.