: DIC again.What options do i have
31-01-08, 05:26 PM
I had a red DIC in my car. The guy i swapped this car from put a black one in.
First off how can i test the DI within a safe parameter. And second off can i swap parts of of either to get a complete and fully functional red one?
Or do i sell the black one which works and just buy a newer red?
what options do i have?
31-01-08, 05:37 PM
Sell the black one - it's not the right one for your car.
Buy a red one.
31-01-08, 06:07 PM
Actually, the black one will work perfectly on a 1992 9000. I say keep the black one if it's working fine. If you have doubts as to whether it's working, check the spark plugs first. If they are the proper type and gapped correctly, only then would I suspect the DI. And for a 1992, it won't run differently using black vs red DI, assuming both are good.
Giomeister, what symptoms are you experiencing?
31-01-08, 08:00 PM
The car is hard to start. And technically Saab has told me on the official note to use the red. The wiring harness for the red is way different too.
Not to mention the wiring harness that was on is loose and i can pull it with my finger lightly. The slide bracket was removed and not put on. and the plugs were autolites and too short to make contact/ I now have the basic NGK plugs, a newer wiring harness and a red and black DIC. and yes of course freezing *** weather.
Yesterday was 30 below. and 20 is like 2 below.
So once i replace a few things and get it fired up. New battery, some seales for the vacuum lines. the dic, and newer plugs and an fluid changes. I will diagnose from there.
The car would run for five minutes after it started up and then would die out and not start again.
I was told it was the fuel pump from the prior owner. Who used the wrong wiring harness and wrong plugs.
all the lights would come on and the car would not turn over. It sounds like the starter is trying to engage. But nothing.
31-01-08, 10:14 PM
I picked up the other DI the red one. It looks like this guy tried to fix it himself. The screws are missing under.
Meanwhile i am selling the black for 175.00
01-02-08, 07:18 AM
Actually, the black one will work perfectly on a 1992 9000.
01-02-08, 07:49 AM
you have to love craigslist.
Last i ran a post to trade my black DI for a red one. 3 emails this morning.
I will find out today.
i have a 96 and when i got the car it had a black DIC in it
and the car starts ok, it takes a little bit more time i think than it should but it starts right up.
should i have the red one??
01-02-08, 09:42 AM
according to Saab. For the year of 1992 9000s , if it came with a red you should have one now.
The years after are trionic. Different animal. And the direct ignition cassette have a knock sensor that gets messed with in using the wrong ones.
So i have been told here.
01-02-08, 10:22 AM
... the direct ignition cassette have a knock sensor that gets messed with in using the wrong ones.
That's just plain wrong.
The DI system maintains a 400 volt potential at the spark plugs. The DI (or DI/APC) ECU uses that 400v and the resistance in the plugs (that's why they use resistor plugs) to establish a reference, then senses ionization in the combustion chamber. Just before it knocks, the ionization changes abruptly (this is what I was told at SAAB DI/APC school). Thus, unlike a knock sensor, the system doesn't even allow the first knock before it adjusts the mixture (in the case of Trionic) and then the timing to prevent knock. The anti-knock feature is built into the ECU, not the cassette.
The black cassette will work fine on a car that calls for a red one; the opposite is not true.
01-02-08, 11:22 AM
i had well my dad had a 94 NA 9000 cse auto, its Red DI went bad, and he was selling it so i found one on ebay cheap but it was black, i bought it and put it in and it worked perfectly, so from personal experience, i can agree with jim, black will work on cars that came with a red DI stock,
01-02-08, 12:41 PM
i heard that somewhere i was told that was correct and a few have stated it here too. Ok well i guess i need to read more.
haha well that helps alot, thanks
i guess ill keep the black one for now
until i save enough money for a red one
(they just look better :))