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: Tata ...... Jag & LR


SaabKen
24-12-07, 03:58 AM
Two goes to the ex-colony:

Tata snares Jag, Land Rover (http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/dec2007/db20071220_511151.htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index _companies)


So The Blue Oval now has Volvo as its sole premium "foreign" brand (PAG is essentially dead). Interestingly is the same setup across town in Detroit, where GM has Saab as its sole premium Euro brand. So in a way, now we're gonna see true mano-a-mano competition with Ford.

Cliche`
24-12-07, 10:42 AM
Well Jag and Rover are now as good as dead. Can't say I'm terribly upset, not like they made cars worth owning anyways.

900t
24-12-07, 12:26 PM
Two goes to the ex-colony:

Well they came from the hands of the darned tea-wasters too :lol:

VSTOL_Yoda
24-12-07, 03:29 PM
I am personally bummed out with the Fordification (ruining) of Land Rover. Ford Killed Rover and now Tata is going to bury them into the mainstream likes of IFS/IRS, computerized, and luxury based off-road crap.

DavidMorgan
24-12-07, 03:36 PM
Well Jag and Rover are now as good as dead. Can't say I'm terribly upset, not like they made cars worth owning anyways.

Have rarely read such rediculous dribble on this forum.
One can but suppose that "Cliché" has very limited.......... :nono;

Sorry but have to stop there so as not to contrary the Mods.

jjonju
24-12-07, 03:43 PM
I think Ford have made a mistake, LR and Jag are just about to take off. See these two links

http://www.autocarmag.com/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/229637/

http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/FirstDrives/Jaguar-XF-4.2-V8-Premium-Luxury/229670/

I think Ford are mad as both companies are just about to take off again and more importantly turn a profit!

DavidMorgan
24-12-07, 03:47 PM
And Aston Martin in the right hands will continue to make the most wanted motor cars and some profit for the manufacturers.

Tomarse
24-12-07, 08:32 PM
I am personally bummed out with the Fordification (ruining) of Land Rover. Ford Killed Rover and now Tata is going to bury them into the mainstream likes of IFS/IRS, computerized, and luxury based off-road crap.

As an owner of multiple old school proper landrovers (a series 2A and a 101), i think that landrover have been going downhill for ages with their concentration on the luxury stuff and the ignoring of the utility vehicles that built their reputation. I cant see them getting any worse!

I see more new tata trucks round here than new landrover defenders so it could be a good thing!

valbowski1980
24-12-07, 11:17 PM
It seems to me that Jag built some nice cars under Ford, better than under BL anyway..... Quality was pretty good and the styling was still unique. I guess we will have to see what the Indians do with it.

valbowski1980
24-12-07, 11:20 PM
I think Ford have made a mistake, LR and Jag are just about to take off. See these two links

http://www.autocarmag.com/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/229637/

http://www.autocar.co.uk/CarReviews/FirstDrives/Jaguar-XF-4.2-V8-Premium-Luxury/229670/

I think Ford are mad as both companies are just about to take off again and more importantly turn a profit!

Not mad.... just in need of cash. The last 10 years or so have not been kind to the "big three" since they built crap cars while the Japanese (and eventually Koreans) built good ones. To top it off the SUV and truck sales are not where they used to be so they need to tighten their belts.

VSTOL_Yoda
25-12-07, 05:11 PM
As an owner of multiple old school proper landrovers (a series 2A and a 101), i think that landrover have been going downhill for ages with their concentration on the luxury stuff and the ignoring of the utility vehicles that built their reputation. I cant see them getting any worse!

Agreed. There are many in the US who share this opinion. Unfortunately it appears that Jeep is listening to the the Rover market more than Rover is..LOL.

SaabKen
25-12-07, 09:52 PM
I personally think the Jeep Commander styling rocks

http://stage23.tomshardware.com/torque/2008_liberty_front_34.jpg
http://www.thetorquereport.com/2008_liberty_rear_34.jpg

But unfortunately all current Chrysler products still lag far behind in interior appearance and perception of quality.

Agreed. There are many in the US who share this opinion. Unfortunately it appears that Jeep is listening to the the Rover market more than Rover is..LOL.

wtfwill
25-12-07, 10:01 PM
that is a liberty, not a commander!

SaabKen
26-12-07, 01:02 AM
Well I like 'em both :cheesy:

http://www.rogerwilliams.com/Images/Picture/2005/October/lg_jeep_commander.jpg
http://www.canadiandriver.com//photos/2006/jeep/commander/06commander_3.jpghttp://www.autogaleria.pl/fotografie/jeep/jeep_commander_3.0_crd_limited_2006_13.jpg

http://www.canadiandriver.com//photos/2006/jeep/commander/06commander_5.jpg
http://www.canadiandriver.com//photos/2006/jeep/commander/06commander_22.jpg


that is a liberty, not a commander!

Kermit
26-12-07, 04:21 AM
Give me a Defender anyday, a truely functional 4x4 and not just a status symbol like the "Chelsea Tractor" Range Rover.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_433/car_photo_216907_7.jpg

Deanosabby
26-12-07, 07:09 AM
I think my Landy would go more places than most pimped up chelsea tractors.
It is 20 years old with a TDI 300 engine in it from a LR Disco. All these soft roaders like the Jeeps, Suzukis, Honda's, Nissans and what not are useless off road. The Land Rover series 1 to 3 and the Defender range are in my opinion the best world over and most of the worlds population first time ever seeing a car will be a Land Rover fact.
Here is a link to my old steed.
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i130/deanosabby/Image037.jpg
Deano.

SAABotaged900S
26-12-07, 07:49 AM
Give me a Defender anyday, a truely functional 4x4 and not just a status symbol like the "Chelsea Tractor" Range Rover.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_433/car_photo_216907_7.jpg

I saw one of these outside my job in white, absolutely loved it. Always wanted an old school Land Rover! :cheesy:

sleet
26-12-07, 12:01 PM
those jeep libertys are crap! i know you were talkin about a commander but you put pictures of a liberty and every liberty i been in was crap. interior small not much space like youd think (and im a lil guy) very plain and drove like crap, very boring very slow, i didnt find one thing i liked about those libertys. my dad who gets rental cars all the time due to a travelling job also hates them. he isnt picky when it comes to whatever the company gives him but thats one of the cars he will avoid at all costs if he can.

Nickshu
26-12-07, 12:17 PM
I am personally bummed out with the Fordification (ruining) of Land Rover. Ford Killed Rover and now Tata is going to bury them into the mainstream likes of IFS/IRS, computerized, and luxury based off-road crap.

I think LR knows that offroad utility is no longer it's target market. The luxury and rap/hiphop-video crowd with 29" polished chrome rims are the current market segement....and they now taylor their cars to that market b/c thats where the money is. Fourwheel drive offroad enthusiasts don't make much money for LR b/c they usually buy the cars used, keep them for many years, service them on their own (outside dealer), and buy aftermarket parts. This = no money for LR after the initial sale. The luxury-type "I don't know how to use a screwdriver" customer is much more profitable. Folks that I call "checkbook mechanics".

It'll be interesting to see what occurs with Volvo/Ford with the new full-line of Volvo's coming out this year. The new XC70/S60/V70 are all based on the Ford 500 (Taurus) platform, but initial reviews seem positive.

I owned one LR product (see RR below) and would never buy one again. It never went a day without a problem, and parts are hellaciously expensive. Hopefully they can improve with time the way Jaguar has.

Also, I can't believe anyone thinks ANY current Jeep product is nice, good, or worth owning. My gosh, my 3 year old son could design a better looking car. Very gawky, harsh angles and parts that don't seem to fit together...all plastic tupperware bolted to the outside, and just about NO ground clearance on any models. Made for the mall parking lot, not even a smooth dirt road! (IMHO, of course).

SaabKen
26-12-07, 01:08 PM
I did post pics of the Commander subsequently.

I only said I like the styling of them, nothing about how they perform as I've never driven one.

those jeep libertys are crap! i know you were talkin about a commander but you put pictures of a liberty and every liberty i been in was crap. interior small not much space like youd think (and im a lil guy) very plain and drove like crap, very boring very slow, i didnt find one thing i liked about those libertys. my dad who gets rental cars all the time due to a travelling job also hates them. he isnt picky when it comes to whatever the company gives him but thats one of the cars he will avoid at all costs if he can.

sleet
26-12-07, 01:17 PM
I did post pics of the Commander subsequently.

I only said I like the styling of them, nothing about how they perform as I've never driven one.

ah ha ok gotcha, well from all the libertys i been in = yuck

mike saunders
26-12-07, 01:19 PM
Also, I can't believe anyone thinks ANY current Jeep product is nice, good, or worth owning. My gosh, my 3 year old son could design a better looking car. Very gawky, harsh angles and parts that don't seem to fit together...all plastic tupperware bolted to the outside, and just about NO ground clearance on any models. Made for the mall parking lot, not even a smooth dirt road! (IMHO, of course).


Er....Jeep Commander has about nine inches of ground clearance. What malls do you shop at?

Khumbu Ice Falls Galleria?
The Shoppes of Denali?

900t
26-12-07, 01:50 PM
I drove a rental Commander, 3,7 V6... we got it down to 9.9 MPG on the average display and it was very gutless. It tops out around 112 mi/h. Won't even squeak tires if you punch it. And the "stability control" still kicks in even when you turn it off.

The big surprise was how cramped it was inside. Smaller inside than a Saab 900.

mike saunders
26-12-07, 02:36 PM
Why would an SUV, intentionally geared the way it's supposed to be, chirp the tires?

...and a seven passenger SUV felt more cramped than a C900, which has the shoulder room of a church confessional?


....I'm getting the strong whiff of fanboi... :)

woywitka
26-12-07, 06:33 PM
I love the styling of the Range Rover;oops: . Not that I would buy one.



My Girlfriend and I have this ongoing thing about which of of us will Buy the Family Range Rover one day and who would drive it. We pass one and she goes "You're going to buy that one for me"